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"DanielSan" <danielsan@speakeasy.net> wrote in message 
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> rbwinn wrote:
>> On Aug 1, 11:55?pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>> On Aug 1, 8:28 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 31, 7:05 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 8:10 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 5:52 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 10:15 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 6:14 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:9dcddedb-bce6-457f-b0c5-d9a6d2bb6bd7@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 10:04?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted 
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. ?If that was not 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything at all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just an old, old story.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Three
>>>>>>>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Smiler,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> decide for
>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self-
>>>>>>>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for 
>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still 
>>>>>>>>>>> fail to
>>>>>>>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the 
>>>>>>>>>>> Bible.
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> ******************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
>>>>>>>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's
>>>>>>>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way 
>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>> atheist claimed?
>>>>>>>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote.
>>>>>>>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate
>>>>>>>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or 
>>>>>>>>>> is it
>>>>>>>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this 
>>>>>>>>>> newsgroup?
>>>>>>>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes.
>>>>>>>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an 
>>>>>>>>>> atheist to
>>>>>>>>>> make a decision about this.
>>>>>>>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of 
>>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's
>>>>>>>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said 
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that 
>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that 
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> obviously true.
>>>>>>>>> How about this mindblower:
>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is
>>>>>>>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the 
>>>>>>>>> truthfulness
>>>>>>>>> of the Bible.
>>>>>>>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them
>>>>>>>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans.
>>>>>>>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it 
>>>>>>>>> describe
>>>>>>>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are?
>>>>>>>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has 
>>>>>>>> admitted
>>>>>>>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel 
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction
>>>>>>>> of something that can be observed.
>>>>>>>> But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction book
>>>>>>>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all
>>>>>>>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction.
>>>>>>> Your misapprehension of his premise is noted.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes
>>>>>>>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you
>>>>>>>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would have
>>>>>>>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not
>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope
>>>>>>>> this will help you in your studies.
>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>> Using that logic and one data point, this means the bible is fiction
>>>>>>> or non-fiction.
>>>>>>> Using a second data point, say global flood, proves the bible is a
>>>>>>> work of fiction.
>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>> Well, no it does not. What you are claiming is that if you can find a
>>>>>> mistake or something debatable in a non-fiction book, then you have
>>>>>> proven it is fiction.
>>>>> No.
>>>>>> What makes a book fiction or non-fiction is the
>>>>>> intent of the author or authors. A fiction book is an account of
>>>>>> imaginary events.
>>>>> ...or people.
>>>>>> A perceived mistake in a non-fiction book can
>>>>>> happen because of a misinterpretation of events by either the author
>>>>>> or reader of the book.
>>>>> So, you're saying that the Bible has mistakes?
>>>> Yes, the Bible has mistakes.
>>> You're in contention with many Christians who believe the Bible to be
>>> inerrant.
>>>
>> I am not in contention with anyone.  Why would it bother me if someone
>> thinks the Bible is inerrant?
>
> Those two sentences do not agree with each other.
>

You expect skippy to be both coherent and consistent?
You expect FAR too much. He's never managed either on its own, let alone 
together.

Smiler,
The godless one
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