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On Aug 2, 1:17�pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Aug 1, 11:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Aug 1, 8:29 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 31, 8:55 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2:47 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>news:e614fbd1-1d14-42db-856a-84936af30751@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 10:32 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> >>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> OnJul31, 2:57 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 6:07 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30Jul2008 17:57:19 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <4937d184-9c40-4146-a3bb-b72b0333d...@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 3:43?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue,29Jul2008 21:46:16 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <5756c0f4-924c-42b6-b121-8d1294e14...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul22, 4:36?am, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21Jul2008 20:27:01 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul21, 6:51?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21Jul2008 17:58:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul21, 5:15?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21Jul2008 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul20, 4:53?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20Jul2008 14:57:06 -0700, DanielSan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...@speakeasy.net>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul20, 10:18 am, DanielSan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Jesus didn't say it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul said it. ?He was one of the twelve apostles.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Jesus didn't say it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as we all know, Paul was not one of the Twelve.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if you doubt that Paul was one of the twelve, why
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't you wait
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until after you are resurrected and ask Paul if he was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twelve?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are really ignorant about the Bible. No wonder you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insist on making
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a fool of yourself.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clue. Even Paul tells us he wasn't one of the Twelve.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there were aGod, He would strike you down for being
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such a bad
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example.- Hide quoted text -
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The book of Acts says Paul was ordained an apostle, Paul
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says he is an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apostle. ?Paul was an apostle, regardless of how many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheists of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today say he was not.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you choose to lie rather than admit your error.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nowhere in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the entire Bibledoesit say that Paul was one of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twelve. That was a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim you made up that was not true.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep lying. Prove to us how much of a fake you are.- Hide
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Acts 14:14 ?Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of, they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rent their clothes, and ran in among the people crying out.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, as you can see, apostledoesnot mean 'one of the Twelve'.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please, learn the myths you are trying to sell us. Yourgod
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embarrassed by your ignorance if he existed.- Hide quoted
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, yes itdoesmean ?one of the Twelve.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Go waste
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> time reading the Gospels, Acts and letters to find out that _no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> one_
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought that Paul was one of the Twelve.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Paul thought he was. I don't think he would have gone around
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> lying about it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You are lying about what Paul said. He never claimed to be one of the
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> >>>>>>>>>>> He said he was an apostle. He would not have said that if he had not
> >>>>>>>>>>> been ordained.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>> I am an apostle.
> >>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>> So who ordained you an apostle?
> >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>> You did.
> >>>>>>>> You said that people who say they are an apostle are an ordained apostle,
> >>>>>>>> and that they wouldn't say they were an apostle unless they were an apostle.
> >>>>>>>> It's right up there, in the text.
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Steve O
> >>>>>>> Paul was ordained an apostle. Al was not.
> >>>>>> I ordain Al as an apostle.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>> You would have to be an apostle to ordain an apostle.
> >>>> I've already been ordained an apostle.
> >>> So who ordained you an apostle?
> >> God.
>
> > Why would God ordain you an apostle? �
>
> God works in mysterious ways.
>
> > The original twelve apostles
> > were ordained by Jesus Christ.
>
> And none of them were Paul.
>
> > �All apostles since that time have been
> > ordained by apostles. �
>
> So?
>
> > It is contrary to the order of heaven for God
> > to do anything for men that they can do for themselves.
>
> You presume to speak for God?
>
I absolutely do.
Robert B. Winn