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On Aug 2, 3:01�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
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> > On Aug 1, 11:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >> > On Aug 1, 8:26 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >>> On Jul 31, 6:21 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >>>>> On Jul 31, 5:52 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> On Jul 30, 10:15 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 6:14 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>>>>news:9dcddedb-bce6-457f-b0c5-d9a6d2bb6bd7@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 10:04?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>news:8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text -
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> some
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> God as well.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. ?If that was not
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> enough for
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> anything.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God?
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> anything at all,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> it's
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> just an old, old story.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel.
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Three
> >> >>>>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction
> >> >>>>>>>>>> of
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel.
> >> >>>>>>>>>> ================================
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station.
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true?
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Smiler,
> >> >>>>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and
> >> >>>>>>>>> decide for
> >> >>>>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self-
> >> >>>>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for
> >> >>>>>>>>> yourself.
> >> >>>>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still
> >> >>>>>>>> fail to
> >> >>>>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the
> >> >>>>>>>> Bible.
> >> >>>>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>>>> ******************************************************
> >> >>>>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
> >> >>>>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's
> >> >>>>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way
> >> >>>>>>> one
> >> >>>>>>> atheist claimed?
> >> >>>>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote.
> >> >>>>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate
> >> >>>>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was
> >> >>>>>>> the
> >> >>>>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or
> >> >>>>>>> is it
> >> >>>>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this
> >> >>>>>>> newsgroup?
> >> >>>>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes.
> >> >>>>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an
> >> >>>>>>> atheist to
> >> >>>>>>> make a decision about this.
> >> >>>>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of
> >> >>>>>>> Hezekiah's
> >> >>>>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said
> >> >>>>>>> that
> >> >>>>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that
> >> >>>>>>> there
> >> >>>>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that
> >> >>>>>>> are
> >> >>>>>>> obviously true.
> >> >>>>>> How about this mindblower:
> >> >>>>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is
> >> >>>>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the
> >> >>>>>> truthfulness
> >> >>>>>> of the Bible.
> >> >>>>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them
> >> >>>>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans.
> >> >>>>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it
> >> >>>>>> describe
> >> >>>>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are?
> >> >>>>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has
> >> >>>>> admitted
> >> >>>>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel
> >> >>>>> is
> >> >>>>> true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction
> >> >>>>> of something that can be observed.
> >> >>>> And that's irrelevant.
> >> >>>>> But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction book
> >> >>>>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all
> >> >>>>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction.
> >> >>>> Doesn't prove they're nonfiction, either. You're starting to get it.
> >> >>>> Just because a book talks about the construction of something is
> >> >>>> irrelevant to the veracity of the book.
> >> >>> No, it is not irrelevant.
> >> >> Yes. Yes, it is.
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> >> >>>>> The
> >> >>>>> furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes
> >> >>>>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you
> >> >>>>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would have
> >> >>>>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not
> >> >>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope
> >> >>>>> this will help you in your studies.
> >> >>>> When you get on to proving that God thing as non-fiction, do let me
> >> >>>> know.
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>> God already proved it. If you reject the atonement of Christ for your
> >> >>> sins, it is your problem, not mine.
> >> >> God has done nothing of the sort. Someone told you that God proved it,
> >> >> but do you have any evidence that he did?
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> >> >> PS: Your threat given vicariously through some dead guy we can't even
> >> >> show to exist is summarily rejected.
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> >> > There is no threat.
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> >> Sure there is. The failure to atone for "sins" is everlasting torture.
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> >> > You atheists say that you do not want to enter
> >> > heaven. You will get exactly what you say you want. So where is the
> >> > threat?
> >> > It is a threat to give someone what they say they want?
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> >> You've not heard of "Hell", have you?
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> > Well, but you atheists would be more miserable in the presence of God
> > than you would be in the presence of Satan. �If you want to be with
> > Satan, you should be allowed to be with Satan.
> > Robert B. winn
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> What, in your wild, loony imagination, would make you think that we would "
> want to be with Satan"?
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Well, your rejection of the Atonement of Christ indicates that you
would prefer to be with Satan than with Christ.
Robert B. Winn