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On Aug 1, 11:56�pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Aug 1, 8:29 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jul 31, 8:55 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 31, 2:47 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:e614fbd1-1d14-42db-856a-84936af30751@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>> OnJul30, 10:32 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> >>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> OnJul31, 2:57 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 6:07 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30Jul2008 17:57:19 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism
> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>> <4937d184-9c40-4146-a3bb-b72b0333d...@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 3:43?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue,29Jul2008 21:46:16 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <5756c0f4-924c-42b6-b121-8d1294e14...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul22, 4:36?am, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21Jul2008 20:27:01 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul21, 6:51?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21Jul2008 17:58:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul21, 5:15?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21Jul2008 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul20, 4:53?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20Jul2008 14:57:06 -0700, DanielSan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...@speakeasy.net>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul20, 10:18 am, DanielSan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Jesus didn't say it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul said it. ?He was one of the twelve apostles.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Jesus didn't say it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as we all know, Paul was not one of the Twelve.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if you doubt that Paul was one of the twelve, why
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't you wait
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until after you are resurrected and ask Paul if he was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twelve?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are really ignorant about the Bible. No wonder you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insist on making
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a fool of yourself.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clue. Even Paul tells us he wasn't one of the Twelve.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there were aGod, He would strike you down for being
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such a bad
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The book of Acts says Paul was ordained an apostle, Paul
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says he is an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apostle. ?Paul was an apostle, regardless of how many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheists of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today say he was not.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you choose to lie rather than admit your error.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nowhere in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the entire Bibledoesit say that Paul was one of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twelve. That was a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim you made up that was not true.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep lying. Prove to us how much of a fake you are.- Hide
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Acts 14:14 ?Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of, they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rent their clothes, and ran in among the people crying out.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, as you can see, apostledoesnot mean 'one of the Twelve'.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please, learn the myths you are trying to sell us. Yourgod
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> embarrassed by your ignorance if he existed.- Hide quoted
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, yes itdoesmean ?one of the Twelve.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Then you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Go waste
> >>>>>>>>>>>> some
> >>>>>>>>>>>> time reading the Gospels, Acts and letters to find out that _no
> >>>>>>>>>>>> one_
> >>>>>>>>>>>> thought that Paul was one of the Twelve.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, Paul thought he was. I don't think he would have gone around
> >>>>>>>>>>> lying about it.
> >>>>>>>>>> You are lying about what Paul said. He never claimed to be one of the
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> >>>>>>>>> He said he was an apostle. He would not have said that if he had not
> >>>>>>>>> been ordained.
> >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>> I am an apostle.
> >>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>> So who ordained you an apostle?
> >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>> You did.
> >>>>>> You said that people who say they are an apostle are an ordained apostle,
> >>>>>> and that they wouldn't say they were an apostle unless they were an apostle.
> >>>>>> It's right up there, in the text.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Steve O
> >>>>> Paul was ordained an apostle. Al was not.
> >>>> I ordain Al as an apostle.
> >>>> --
> >>> You would have to be an apostle to ordain an apostle.
> >> I've already been ordained an apostle.
>
> > So who ordained you an apostle?
>
> God.
>
Why would God ordain you an apostle?   The original twelve apostles
were ordained by Jesus Christ.  All apostles since that time have been
ordained by apostles.  It is contrary to the order of heaven for God
to do anything for men that they can do for themselves.
Robert B. Winn