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rbwinn wrote:
> On Aug 1, 11:56�pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Aug 1, 8:29 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 31, 8:55 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2:47 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:e614fbd1-1d14-42db-856a-84936af30751@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 10:32 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> OnJul31, 2:57 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 6:07 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30Jul2008 17:57:19 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism
>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> <4937d184-9c40-4146-a3bb-b72b0333d...@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul30, 3:43?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue,29Jul2008 21:46:16 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <5756c0f4-924c-42b6-b121-8d1294e14...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul22, 4:36?am, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21Jul2008 20:27:01 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul21, 6:51?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21Jul2008 17:58:47 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul21, 5:15?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21Jul2008 06:27:20 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul20, 4:53?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20Jul2008 14:57:06 -0700, DanielSan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...@speakeasy.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul20, 10:18 am, DanielSan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Jesus didn't say it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul said it. ?He was one of the twelve apostles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Jesus didn't say it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, as we all know, Paul was not one of the Twelve.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if you doubt that Paul was one of the twelve, why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't you wait
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until after you are resurrected and ask Paul if he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twelve?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are really ignorant about the Bible. No wonder you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insist on making
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a fool of yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clue. Even Paul tells us he wasn't one of the Twelve.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there were aGod, He would strike you down for being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such a bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example.- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The book of Acts says Paul was ordained an apostle, Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says he is an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apostle. ?Paul was an apostle, regardless of how many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheists of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today say he was not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you choose to lie rather than admit your error.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nowhere in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the entire Bibledoesit say that Paul was one of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twelve. That was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim you made up that was not true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep lying. Prove to us how much of a fake you are.- Hide
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Acts 14:14 ?Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rent their clothes, and ran in among the people crying out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, as you can see, apostledoesnot mean 'one of the Twelve'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please, learn the myths you are trying to sell us. Yourgod
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embarrassed by your ignorance if he existed.- Hide quoted
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, yes itdoesmean ?one of the Twelve.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Go waste
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time reading the Gospels, Acts and letters to find out that _no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one_
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought that Paul was one of the Twelve.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Paul thought he was. I don't think he would have gone around
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lying about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You are lying about what Paul said. He never claimed to be one of the
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>>>>>>>>>>> He said he was an apostle. He would not have said that if he had not
>>>>>>>>>>> been ordained.
>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>> I am an apostle.
>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>> So who ordained you an apostle?
>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>> You did.
>>>>>>>> You said that people who say they are an apostle are an ordained apostle,
>>>>>>>> and that they wouldn't say they were an apostle unless they were an apostle.
>>>>>>>> It's right up there, in the text.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Steve O
>>>>>>> Paul was ordained an apostle. Al was not.
>>>>>> I ordain Al as an apostle.
>>>>>> --
>>>>> You would have to be an apostle to ordain an apostle.
>>>> I've already been ordained an apostle.
>>> So who ordained you an apostle?
>> God.
>>
> Why would God ordain you an apostle?   

God works in mysterious ways.

> The original twelve apostles
> were ordained by Jesus Christ.

And none of them were Paul.

>  All apostles since that time have been
> ordained by apostles.  

So?

> It is contrary to the order of heaven for God
> to do anything for men that they can do for themselves.

You presume to speak for God?

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