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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 31, 6:11�pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 31, 5:45 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 30, 10:15 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 6:13 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 5:37 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 3:13 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 8:39 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? Now, back onto the question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was an atheist. His values and beliefs were much like yours
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Torquemada was a christian. His values and beliefs were much like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours are today. And you're doing your best to make us all see the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point of shooting christians. You really are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al. Pol Pot was just an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dictator.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, really, aren't you talking about communism and totalitarianism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does atheism have to do with it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was being an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And...?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, just go ahead and list all of the Communist dictators who were
>>>>>>>>>>> Christians, Daniel.
>>>>>>>>>> Thomas M ntzer, for starters.
>>>>>>>>>> I have more, but I think even one example destroys your guess that
>>>>>>>>>> religious people are not allowed to be communist dictators.
>>>>>>>>>> By the way, check out this quote from tienne Cabet: "Communism is
>>>>>>>>>> Christianity... it is pure Christianity, before it was corrupted by
>>>>>>>>>> Catholicism."
>>>>>>>>> Never heard of Thomas Muntzer.
>>>>>>>> Then this is an opportunity for you to do research. Seek and ye shall find.
>>>>>>>>> Etienne Cabet sent a colony to Nauvoo,
>>>>>>>>> Illinois, to take over the houses left by members of the Church of
>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints who were driven from the city by
>>>>>>>>> mobs. The Communist colony failed.
>>>>>>>> Irrelevant.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Well, I do not think it was irrelevant.
>>>>>> It is irrelevant to whether Christians can be communist and whether
>>>>>> Christians can become communist dictators.
>>>>>> --
>>>>> Well, it was not irrelevant at the time, just as it is not irrelevant
>>>>> now whether independent voters are allowed to run for office in this
>>>>> country.
>>>> Um, what?
>>> Since the election of 1800 political party politicians have passed
>>> laws at state level designed to keep independent voters from running
>>> for public office.
>> What has that got to do with Christian Communistic Dictators?
>>
>> (And independent voters can't run for public office?! �WHAT?!)
>>
>> --
> Political party politicians are passing laws as we speak to prevent
> independent voters from running for office.  In Arizona, the state
> where I live, an independent voter is required to obtain about 20,000
> nomination petition signatures to appear on the ballot for the same
> office a major party candidate is required to obtain 3,000 signatures
> to appear on the ballot.
> States like Alabama, Oregon, and Pennsylvania have been passing
> similar laws designed to insure that independent voters cannot compete
> with party candidates for ballot access.

So, you lied when you said that independent voters were denied from 
running for public office.

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