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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: rbwinn
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 02:24
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On Aug 1, 6:47�am, Masked Avenger <cootey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Steve O
> >>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three
> >>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of
> >>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel.
> >>>>>>>> ================================
> >>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station.
> >>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true?
> >>>>>>>> Smiler,
> >>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for
> >>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self-
> >>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself.
> >>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still fail to
> >>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> ******************************************************
> >>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
> >>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's
> >>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one
> >>>>> atheist claimed?
> >>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote.
> >>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate
> >>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was the
> >>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it
> >>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup?
> >>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes.
> >>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to
> >>>>> make a decision about this.
> >>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's
> >>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said that
> >>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there
> >>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are
> >>>>> obviously true.
> >>>> How about this mindblower:
> >>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is
> >>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the truthfulness
> >>>> of the Bible.
> >>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them
> >>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans.
> >>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it describe
> >>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are?
> >>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted
> >>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel is
> >>> true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction
> >>> of something that can be observed.
> >> And that's irrelevant.
>
> >>> But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction book
> >>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all
> >>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction.
> >> Doesn't prove they're nonfiction, either. You're starting to get it.
> >> Just because a book talks about the construction of something is
> >> irrelevant to the veracity of the book.
>
> > No, it is not irrelevant.
>
> >>> The
> >>> furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes
> >>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you
> >>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would have
> >>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not
> >>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope
> >>> this will help you in your studies.
> >> When you get on to proving that God thing as non-fiction, do let me know.
>
> >> --
> > God already proved it. �If you reject the atonement of Christ for your
> > sins, it is your problem, not mine.
> > Robert B. Winn
>
> No .... it's your problem ...... because you're basing all this on a
> certain 'Jesus Christ' character ........ and you have absolutely NO
> proof he ever existed ....... in fact ... the weight of evidence seems
> to point to him NEVER existing .......
>
> --
> MA ....Yoiks .... and away .....
>
> Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity
> ............. and I'm not sure about the Universe ..........
> � - A. Einstein
>
> Does Schr�dinger's cat have 18 half lives ?- Hide quoted text -
>
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Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible, and then you could decide
for yourself instead of just repeating what other atheists say.
Robert B. Winn
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From: rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com>
Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 19:24:17 -0700 (PDT)
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