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Article #11559Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 02:24
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 02:24
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On Aug 1, 6:47�am, Masked Avenger <cootey...@yahoo.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Steve O > >>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three > >>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of > >>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel. > >>>>>>>> ================================ > >>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station. > >>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true? > >>>>>>>> Smiler, > >>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for > >>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self- > >>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself. > >>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still fail to > >>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible. > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> ****************************************************** > >>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * > >>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's > >>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one > >>>>> atheist claimed? > >>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote. > >>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate > >>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was the > >>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it > >>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup? > >>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes. > >>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to > >>>>> make a decision about this. > >>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's > >>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said that > >>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there > >>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are > >>>>> obviously true. > >>>> How about this mindblower: > >>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is > >>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the truthfulness > >>>> of the Bible. > >>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them > >>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans. > >>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it describe > >>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are? > >>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted > >>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel is > >>> true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction > >>> of something that can be observed. > >> And that's irrelevant. > > >>> But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction book > >>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all > >>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction. > >> Doesn't prove they're nonfiction, either. You're starting to get it. > >> Just because a book talks about the construction of something is > >> irrelevant to the veracity of the book. > > > No, it is not irrelevant. > > >>> The > >>> furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes > >>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you > >>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would have > >>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not > >>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope > >>> this will help you in your studies. > >> When you get on to proving that God thing as non-fiction, do let me know. > > >> -- > > God already proved it. �If you reject the atonement of Christ for your > > sins, it is your problem, not mine. > > Robert B. Winn > > No .... it's your problem ...... because you're basing all this on a > certain 'Jesus Christ' character ........ and you have absolutely NO > proof he ever existed ....... in fact ... the weight of evidence seems > to point to him NEVER existing ....... > > -- > MA ....Yoiks .... and away ..... > > Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity > ............. and I'm not sure about the Universe .......... > � - A. Einstein > > Does Schr�dinger's cat have 18 half lives ?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible, and then you could decide for yourself instead of just repeating what other atheists say. Robert B. Winn
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