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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: DanielSan
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 02:26
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rbwinn wrote:
> On Aug 1, 6:47�am, Masked Avenger <cootey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three
>>>>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of
>>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel.
>>>>>>>>>> ================================
>>>>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station.
>>>>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true?
>>>>>>>>>> Smiler,
>>>>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for
>>>>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self-
>>>>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself.
>>>>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still fail to
>>>>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> ******************************************************
>>>>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
>>>>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's
>>>>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one
>>>>>>> atheist claimed?
>>>>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote.
>>>>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate
>>>>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was the
>>>>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it
>>>>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup?
>>>>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes.
>>>>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to
>>>>>>> make a decision about this.
>>>>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's
>>>>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said that
>>>>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there
>>>>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are
>>>>>>> obviously true.
>>>>>> How about this mindblower:
>>>>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is
>>>>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the truthfulness
>>>>>> of the Bible.
>>>>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them
>>>>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans.
>>>>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it describe
>>>>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are?
>>>>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted
>>>>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel is
>>>>> true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction
>>>>> of something that can be observed.
>>>> And that's irrelevant.
>>>>> But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction book
>>>>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all
>>>>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction.
>>>> Doesn't prove they're nonfiction, either. You're starting to get it.
>>>> Just because a book talks about the construction of something is
>>>> irrelevant to the veracity of the book.
>>> No, it is not irrelevant.
>>>>> The
>>>>> furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes
>>>>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you
>>>>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would have
>>>>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not
>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope
>>>>> this will help you in your studies.
>>>> When you get on to proving that God thing as non-fiction, do let me know.
>>>> --
>>> God already proved it. �If you reject the atonement of Christ for your
>>> sins, it is your problem, not mine.
>>> Robert B. Winn
>> No .... it's your problem ...... because you're basing all this on a
>> certain 'Jesus Christ' character ........ and you have absolutely NO
>> proof he ever existed ....... in fact ... the weight of evidence seems
>> to point to him NEVER existing .......
>>
>> --
>> MA ....Yoiks .... and away .....
>>
>> Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity
>> ............. and I'm not sure about the Universe ..........
>> � - A. Einstein
>>
>> Does Schr�dinger's cat have 18 half lives ?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible, and then you could decide
> for yourself instead of just repeating what other atheists say.


So, you think that MA hasn't read the Bible?


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*          DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226          *
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* Can God create a Thai dish so spicy that even He *
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