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On Aug 1, 8:25�am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 31, 6:11 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jul 31, 5:45 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 30, 10:15 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 30, 6:13 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 5:37 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 3:13 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 8:39 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheism?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? Now, back onto the question
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was an atheist. His values and beliefs were much like yours
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are today.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Torquemada was a christian. His values and beliefs were much like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours are today. And you're doing your best to make us all see the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point of shooting christians. You really are.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al. Pol Pot was just an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dictator.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, really, aren't you talking about communism and totalitarianism?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does atheism have to do with it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was being an atheist.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> And...?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, just go ahead and list all of the Communist dictators who were
> >>>>>>>>>>> Christians, Daniel.
> >>>>>>>>>> Thomas M ntzer, for starters.
> >>>>>>>>>> I have more, but I think even one example destroys your guess that
> >>>>>>>>>> religious people are not allowed to be communist dictators.
> >>>>>>>>>> By the way, check out this quote from tienne Cabet: "Communism is
> >>>>>>>>>> Christianity... it is pure Christianity, before it was corrupted by
> >>>>>>>>>> Catholicism."
> >>>>>>>>> Never heard of Thomas Muntzer.
> >>>>>>>> Then this is an opportunity for you to do research. Seek and ye shall find.
> >>>>>>>>> Etienne Cabet sent a colony to Nauvoo,
> >>>>>>>>> Illinois, to take over the houses left by members of the Church of
> >>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints who were driven from the city by
> >>>>>>>>> mobs. The Communist colony failed.
> >>>>>>>> Irrelevant.
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Well, I do not think it was irrelevant.
> >>>>>> It is irrelevant to whether Christians can be communist and whether
> >>>>>> Christians can become communist dictators.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>> Well, it was not irrelevant at the time, just as it is not irrelevant
> >>>>> now whether independent voters are allowed to run for office in this
> >>>>> country.
> >>>> Um, what?
> >>> Since the election of 1800 political party politicians have passed
> >>> laws at state level designed to keep independent voters from running
> >>> for public office.
> >> What has that got to do with Christian Communistic Dictators?
>
> >> (And independent voters can't run for public office?! WHAT?!)
>
> >> --
> > Political party politicians are passing laws as we speak to prevent
> > independent voters from running for office. �In Arizona, the state
> > where I live, an independent voter is required to obtain about 20,000
> > nomination petition signatures to appear on the ballot for the same
> > office a major party candidate is required to obtain 3,000 signatures
> > to appear on the ballot.
> > States like Alabama, Oregon, and Pennsylvania have been passing
> > similar laws designed to insure that independent voters cannot compete
> > with party candidates for ballot access.
>
> So, you lied when you said that independent voters were denied from
> running for public office.
>

Independent voters are denied from running for public office, and have
been denied from running for public office since the election of 1800.
Robert B. Winn