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On Jul 31, 6:21�pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 31, 5:52 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jul 30, 10:15 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 30, 6:14 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:9dcddedb-bce6-457f-b0c5-d9a6d2bb6bd7@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>> On Jul 22, 10:04?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>news:8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>>>>>>> God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
> >>>>>>>>>>> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?
> >>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some
> >>>>>>>>> evidence
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> God as well.
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Steve O
> >>>>>>>> God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. ?If that was not enough for
> >>>>>>>> you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of anything.
> >>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>> Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God?
> >>>>>>> Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of anything at all,
> >>>>>>> it's
> >>>>>>> just an old, old story.
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Steve O
> >>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three
> >>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of
> >>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel.
> >>>>>> ================================
> >>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station.
> >>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true?
> >>>>>> Smiler,
> >>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for
> >>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self-
> >>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself.
> >>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still fail to
> >>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible.
> >>>> --
> >>>> ******************************************************
> >>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
> >>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's
> >>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one
> >>> atheist claimed?
> >> Which atheist? Provide a quote.
>
> >>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate
> >>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was the
> >>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it
> >>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup?
> >> Which atheists? Provide quotes.
>
> >>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to
> >>> make a decision about this.
> >>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's
> >>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said that
> >>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there
> >>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are
> >>> obviously true.
> >> How about this mindblower:
>
> >> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is
> >> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the truthfulness
> >> of the Bible.
>
> >> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them
> >> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans.
>
> >> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it describe
> >> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are?
>
> > Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted
> > that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel is
> > true. �First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction
> > of something that can be observed.
>
> And that's irrelevant.
>
> > But your premise is wrong. �Just because you can find a fiction book
> > that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all
> > books that describe something that can be seen are fiction.
>
> Doesn't prove they're nonfiction, either. �You're starting to get it.
> Just because a book talks about the construction of something is
> irrelevant to the veracity of the book.

No, it is not irrelevant.

> > �The
> > furthest you can go �would be to say that the book that describes
> > something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you
> > cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. �So you would have
> > to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not
> > Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. �I hope
> > this will help you in your studies.
>
> When you get on to proving that God thing as non-fiction, do let me know.
>
> --
God already proved it.  If you reject the atonement of Christ for your
sins, it is your problem, not mine.
Robert B. Winn