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Article #1166Re: unitarity red herring
From: Robert Firth
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 22:05
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 22:05
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In article <mcirvin.713566546@husc8> mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin) writes: >The commuting of observables at spacelike separation prevents >spacelike communication via quantum entanglement precisely >*because* the measurements act like eigenstate projectors. An >eigenstate of one such observable is always in an eigenspace of >the other, so the order in which the projections occur doesn't >matter, and there's no way one measurement can affect the result >of the other. But that's simply not true. In the straightforward Aspect type of experiment, the observables commute, but the results of the measurement are correlated, precisely because either measurement projects the total wavefunction into an eigenstate of BOTH observables. In the usual case of two correlated, separated photons in a common arbitrary polarisation state, the total wave function, in the H,V basis, is |H1> |H2> + |V1> |V2> (with usual normalisation stuff). Now either measurement, at M1 or M2 (presumed separate), is going to yield either pure |H1>|H2> or pure |V1>|V2>. This seems to me to be the flaw in most criticisms of Mr Sarfatti's experiment: they assume that the wave functions are decoupled, or, alternatively, that a measurement of one observable cannot affect an observable of the "other" particle. This is circular reasoning: it is precisely that assumption that leads to Bell's inequality.
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Newsgroups: sci.physics Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!europa.asd.contel.com!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!firth From: firth@sei.cmu.edu (Robert Firth) Subject: Re: unitarity red herring Message-ID: <1992Aug11.220546.5574@sei.cmu.edu> Organization: Software Engineering Institute References: <BssCHF.JxB@well.sf.ca.us> <1992Aug11.155946.26980@galois.mit.edu> <mcirvin.713566546@husc8> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 22:05:46 GMT Lines: 31