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Article #11675Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: Masked Avenger
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:47
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:47
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rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> Steve O >>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three >>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of >>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel. >>>>>>>> ================================ >>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station. >>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true? >>>>>>>> Smiler, >>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for >>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self- >>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself. >>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still fail to >>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ****************************************************** >>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * >>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's >>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one >>>>> atheist claimed? >>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote. >>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate >>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was the >>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it >>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup? >>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes. >>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to >>>>> make a decision about this. >>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's >>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said that >>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there >>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are >>>>> obviously true. >>>> How about this mindblower: >>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is >>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the truthfulness >>>> of the Bible. >>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them >>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans. >>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it describe >>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are? >>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted >>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel is >>> true. �First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction >>> of something that can be observed. >> And that's irrelevant. >> >>> But your premise is wrong. �Just because you can find a fiction book >>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all >>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction. >> Doesn't prove they're nonfiction, either. �You're starting to get it. >> Just because a book talks about the construction of something is >> irrelevant to the veracity of the book. > > No, it is not irrelevant. > >>> �The >>> furthest you can go �would be to say that the book that describes >>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you >>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. �So you would have >>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not >>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. �I hope >>> this will help you in your studies. >> When you get on to proving that God thing as non-fiction, do let me know. >> >> -- > God already proved it. If you reject the atonement of Christ for your > sins, it is your problem, not mine. > Robert B. Winn No .... it's your problem ...... because you're basing all this on a certain 'Jesus Christ' character ........ and you have absolutely NO proof he ever existed ....... in fact ... the weight of evidence seems to point to him NEVER existing ....... -- MA ....Yoiks .... and away ..... Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity ............. and I'm not sure about the Universe .......... - A. Einstein Does Schrödinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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