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On Jul 31, 6:02�pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > OnJul30, 10:25 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> > <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >> OnJul31, 11:08 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> >>> OnJul30, 5:37 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> OnJul30, 3:13 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> OnJul22, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> OnJul21, 8:39 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> OnJul21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> >>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OnJul20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19Jul2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept ofgodas presented by the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheism?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? Now, back onto the question
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was an atheist. His values and beliefs were much like yours
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> are today.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Torquemada was a christian. His values and beliefs were much like
> >>>>>>>>>>>> yours are today. And you're doing your best to make us all see the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> point of shooting christians. You really are.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al. Pol Pot was just an
> >>>>>>>>>>> unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist
> >>>>>>>>>>> dictator.
> >>>>>>>>>> So, really, aren't you talking about communism and totalitarianism?
> >>>>>>>>>> Whatdoesatheism have to do with it?
> >>>>>>>>> Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator
> >>>>>>>>> was being an atheist.
> >>>>>>>> Why?
> >>>>>>> Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people.
> >>>>>> And...?
> >>>>>>> Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators.
> >>>>>> Cite?
> >>>>> Well, just go ahead and list all of the Communist dictators who were
> >>>>> Christians, Daniel.
> >>>> Thomas M ntzer, for starters.
> >>>> I have more, but I think even one example destroys your guess that
> >>>> religious people are not allowed to be communist dictators.
> >>>> By the way, check out this quote from tienne Cabet: "Communism is
> >>>> Christianity... it is pure Christianity, before it was corrupted by
> >>>> Catholicism."
> >>> Never heard of Thomas Muntzer. Etienne Cabet sent a colony to Nauvoo,
> >>> Illinois, to take over the houses left by members of the Church of
> >>> Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints who were driven from the city by
> >>> mobs. The Communist colony failed.
> >>> Robert B. Winn
> >> Probably because it was filled with crazy christian types.
>
> > Well, the people who left the houses traveled thousands of miles by
> > wagon, went to an uninhabited wilderness, and were very successful.
> > The people who moved into Nauvoo had every comfort imaginable without
> > doing a thing, and they couldn't make it.
>
> Probably due to their Christianity.
>
> (Remember, you started it when you claimed atheists were exactly the
> same as Stalin.)
>
> --
Well, the Icarians were Communists.  If any of them were Christians,
they would have been Communists first and Christians second.
Robert B. Winn