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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 30, 10:25�pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>> On Jul 31, 11:08 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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>>> On Jul 30, 5:37 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 30, 3:13 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 8:39 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? Now, back onto the question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was an atheist. His values and beliefs were much like yours
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>> Torquemada was a christian. His values and beliefs were much like
>>>>>>>>>>>> yours are today. And you're doing your best to make us all see the
>>>>>>>>>>>> point of shooting christians. You really are.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al. Pol Pot was just an
>>>>>>>>>>> unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist
>>>>>>>>>>> dictator.
>>>>>>>>>> So, really, aren't you talking about communism and totalitarianism?
>>>>>>>>>> What does atheism have to do with it?
>>>>>>>>> Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator
>>>>>>>>> was being an atheist.
>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>> Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people.
>>>>>> And...?
>>>>>>> Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators.
>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>> Well, just go ahead and list all of the Communist dictators who were
>>>>> Christians, Daniel.
>>>> Thomas M ntzer, for starters.
>>>> I have more, but I think even one example destroys your guess that
>>>> religious people are not allowed to be communist dictators.
>>>> By the way, check out this quote from tienne Cabet: "Communism is
>>>> Christianity... it is pure Christianity, before it was corrupted by
>>>> Catholicism."
>>> Never heard of Thomas Muntzer. �Etienne Cabet sent a colony to Nauvoo,
>>> Illinois, to take over the houses left by members of the Church of
>>> Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints who were driven from the city by
>>> mobs. �The Communist colony failed.
>>> Robert B. Winn
>> Probably because it was filled with crazy christian types.
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> Well, the people who left the houses traveled thousands of miles by
> wagon, went to an uninhabited wilderness, and were very successful.
> The people who moved into Nauvoo had every comfort imaginable without
> doing a thing, and they couldn't make it.

Probably due to their Christianity.

(Remember, you started it when you claimed atheists were exactly the 
same as Stalin.)

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