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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#11748
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:25
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On Aug 1, 1:21 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:21551b77-2f18-4580-8784-c695b34efbd3@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 30, 6:05?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
>
> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:c782d4e1-608d-45ff-92b3-1a9b7266a7ab@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jul 22, 1:09?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Jul 21, 12:00 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> > > >> rbwinn wrote:
> > > >>> On Jul 20, 1:00 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> > > >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Jul 20, 3:30 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> > > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> On Jul 19, 8:49 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 7:19 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz>
> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 8:13 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 4:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:43 am, DanielSan
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...@speakeasy.net>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:26 am, DanielSan
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:24 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al)"
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 12:09 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:25 am, "Steve O"
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:c6ff2090-3c5f-4de6-97bf-0641d818d2e2@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you going to admit you're a
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satanist,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bobbie?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never been involved in atheism.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satanism is a faith.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not a subset of atheism.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, atheism is a cult of people who say, We do
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not believe in
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following anything., who follow Satan around.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Christian are those that say they follow a
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> god of love, who in
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact follow one of the most evil deities of all
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly which teachings of Jesus Christ do you
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be evil?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you think that Christians ONLY follow the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teachings of Jesus? ?What,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example, did Jesus say about homosexuality?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He said to repent from any sins. ?That would include
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality isn't a sin.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, what did Jesus say about homosexuality?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ said that repentance from any sin is
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary before the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person can enter heaven. ?That includes the sin of
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But homosexuality is not a sin. ?Unless you can find
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where it says that
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin regardless of what I do. ?There
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no one on
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth who cannot tell that homosexuality is a sin.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm on the Earth, and I have no problem with gay people.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What they do in
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the privacy of their homes doesn't impact on me one iota.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on Earth
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would I have a problem with homosexuals?- Hide quoted
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> text -
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not say you had a problem. ?I said that you are able
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to tell
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that homosexuality is a sin. ? If you say you cannot tell
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is a sin,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> you are not telling the truth.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't even subscribe to the concept of sin, so no I don't
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> think it
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> sinful. You may think it wrong, I don't. I can't think of
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> any
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> reason I
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> would.- Hide quoted text -
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, you would not think of it as sin when your fellow
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> atheist Josef
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Stalin killed 12 million people. ?He was just born that way
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> like
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> homosexuals are, right?
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Immoral behaviour exists quite apart from "sin" outside your
> > > >>>>>>>>>> wacky myths.
> > > >>>>>>>>>> You will note that we're not all killing peasants left, right
> > > >>>>>>>>>> and centre.- Hide quoted text -
> > > >>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is immoral behavior. ?So is killing 12 million
> > > >>>>>>>>> people.
> > > >>>>>>>> Homosexuality is not immoral.
> > > >>>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>> Josef Stalin said that killing 12 million people was not
> > > >>>>>>> immoral.
> > > >>>>>> What kind of argument is that? Are you equivocating slaughter
> > > >>>>>> with
> > > >>>>>> homosexuality?- Hide quoted text -
> > > >>>>> What is your question supposed to mean? ?Equivocate does not mean
> > > >>>>> to
> > > >>>>> set something equal to something else. ?This is a typical atheist
> > > >>>>> question. ?You people think you can change the world by asking
> > > >>>>> ambiguous questions.
> > > >>>> I didn't understand your link between Joseph Stalin and being gay.
> > > >>>> I
> > > >>>> was
> > > >>>> aksing for clarification. If you're not able to provide it...- Hide
> > > >>>> quoted text -
> > > >>>> - Show quoted text -
> > > >>> The conversation about this particular link between Josef Stalin and
> > > >>> homosexuals began when an atheist said he did not have sins because
> > > >>> he
> > > >>> did not believe in sin. ? I said that Josef Stalin had felt the same
> > > >>> way when he killed 12 million people because he was an atheist and
> > > >>> did
> > > >>> not believe in sin either. ?Then homosexuals came into the
> > > >>> conversation because atheists were saying that homosexuality was not
> > > >>> a
> > > >>> sin. ?So the common thread in all this seems to be atheism.
> > > >> What does Joseph Stalin's crimes have to do with any of us. I don't
> > > >> believe in sin, and I've never slaughtered anyone. How is that
> > > >> example
> > > >> remotely releveant?
>
> > > >> I still have no sensible reason to regard homosexuality as immoral. I
> > > >> know many in your religion don't like it, but no gay person ever did
> > > >> me
> > > >> any harm.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > Well, what harm did Josef Stalin do to you? ?Her certainly was ahead
> > > > of his time with regard to population control, something that atheists
> > > > of today are all concerned about.
>
> > > I can empathise with his victims and surmise that he was, in the
> > > parlance of simple religious belief, "a bad man".
>
> > > Normal gay men don't have victims. So where's the crime? Why should I
> > > hate them as you do?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I think that people should be gay. ?Gay means happy.
> > ====================================
> > Yep. Happy to be homosexual, skippy.
> > ==============================
> > ?I think
> > =====================
> > No evidence for that assertion has been seen in any of your posts.
> > ======================================
> > you are
> > trying to refer to homosexual people. ?I do not hate any criminals.
> > =============================================
> > But you hate homosexuals.
> > What have they ever done to you, skippy?
>
> So you are saying that back in the 1800's when people said gay, they
> were talking about homosexuals.  When they said gay nineties, they
> were talking about homosexual activities.  I do not hate homosexuals,
> but it sort of irks me that they would ruin a perfectly good word in
> the English language.  Now black people are understandably offended
> when anyone sings the words to Old Kentucky Home.
> ===========================================
> Do you still call a false hairpiece a perriwig?
> Do you still call the public transport road vehicle an omnibus?
> Are the yellow vehicles in New York still called taximeter-cabriolets?
> Language changes and evolves, skippy. Get over it.
>

On a serious tangent, it's worth checking out the word "nice".
Started life meaning something a bit rotten.  Mutated over to meaning
good, and via sarcasm, is in the business of mutating back.

Al
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From: "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwhipp@optusnet.com.au>
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Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
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