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Article #11748Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:25
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:25
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On Aug 1, 1:21 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:21551b77-2f18-4580-8784-c695b34efbd3@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 30, 6:05?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:c782d4e1-608d-45ff-92b3-1a9b7266a7ab@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com... > > On Jul 22, 1:09?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > > On Jul 21, 12:00 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>> On Jul 20, 1:00 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>> On Jul 20, 3:30 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>> On Jul 19, 8:49 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 7:19 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> > > > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 8:13 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 4:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:43 am, DanielSan > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...@speakeasy.net> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:26 am, DanielSan > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:24 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al)" > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 12:09 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:25 am, "Steve O" > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:c6ff2090-3c5f-4de6-97bf-0641d818d2e2@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you going to admit you're a > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satanist, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bobbie? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never been involved in atheism. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satanism is a faith. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not a subset of atheism. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, atheism is a cult of people who say, We do > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not believe in > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following anything., who follow Satan around. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Christian are those that say they follow a > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> god of love, who in > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact follow one of the most evil deities of all > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly which teachings of Jesus Christ do you > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be evil? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you think that Christians ONLY follow the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teachings of Jesus? ?What, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example, did Jesus say about homosexuality? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He said to repent from any sins. ?That would include > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality isn't a sin. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, what did Jesus say about homosexuality? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ said that repentance from any sin is > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary before the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person can enter heaven. ?That includes the sin of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But homosexuality is not a sin. ?Unless you can find > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where it says that > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin regardless of what I do. ?There > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no one on > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth who cannot tell that homosexuality is a sin. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm on the Earth, and I have no problem with gay people. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What they do in > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the privacy of their homes doesn't impact on me one iota. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on Earth > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would I have a problem with homosexuals?- Hide quoted > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> text - > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not say you had a problem. ?I said that you are able > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to tell > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that homosexuality is a sin. ? If you say you cannot tell > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> it > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is a sin, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> you are not telling the truth. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't even subscribe to the concept of sin, so no I don't > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> think it > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> sinful. You may think it wrong, I don't. I can't think of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> any > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> reason I > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> would.- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Well, you would not think of it as sin when your fellow > > > >>>>>>>>>>> atheist Josef > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Stalin killed 12 million people. ?He was just born that way > > > >>>>>>>>>>> like > > > >>>>>>>>>>> homosexuals are, right? > > > >>>>>>>>>> Immoral behaviour exists quite apart from "sin" outside your > > > >>>>>>>>>> wacky myths. > > > >>>>>>>>>> You will note that we're not all killing peasants left, right > > > >>>>>>>>>> and centre.- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is immoral behavior. ?So is killing 12 million > > > >>>>>>>>> people. > > > >>>>>>>> Homosexuality is not immoral. > > > >>>>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>>> Josef Stalin said that killing 12 million people was not > > > >>>>>>> immoral. > > > >>>>>> What kind of argument is that? Are you equivocating slaughter > > > >>>>>> with > > > >>>>>> homosexuality?- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>> What is your question supposed to mean? ?Equivocate does not mean > > > >>>>> to > > > >>>>> set something equal to something else. ?This is a typical atheist > > > >>>>> question. ?You people think you can change the world by asking > > > >>>>> ambiguous questions. > > > >>>> I didn't understand your link between Joseph Stalin and being gay. > > > >>>> I > > > >>>> was > > > >>>> aksing for clarification. If you're not able to provide it...- Hide > > > >>>> quoted text - > > > >>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>> The conversation about this particular link between Josef Stalin and > > > >>> homosexuals began when an atheist said he did not have sins because > > > >>> he > > > >>> did not believe in sin. ? I said that Josef Stalin had felt the same > > > >>> way when he killed 12 million people because he was an atheist and > > > >>> did > > > >>> not believe in sin either. ?Then homosexuals came into the > > > >>> conversation because atheists were saying that homosexuality was not > > > >>> a > > > >>> sin. ?So the common thread in all this seems to be atheism. > > > >> What does Joseph Stalin's crimes have to do with any of us. I don't > > > >> believe in sin, and I've never slaughtered anyone. How is that > > > >> example > > > >> remotely releveant? > > > > >> I still have no sensible reason to regard homosexuality as immoral. I > > > >> know many in your religion don't like it, but no gay person ever did > > > >> me > > > >> any harm.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > Well, what harm did Josef Stalin do to you? ?Her certainly was ahead > > > > of his time with regard to population control, something that atheists > > > > of today are all concerned about. > > > > I can empathise with his victims and surmise that he was, in the > > > parlance of simple religious belief, "a bad man". > > > > Normal gay men don't have victims. So where's the crime? Why should I > > > hate them as you do?- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > I think that people should be gay. ?Gay means happy. > > ==================================== > > Yep. Happy to be homosexual, skippy. > > ============================== > > ?I think > > ===================== > > No evidence for that assertion has been seen in any of your posts. > > ====================================== > > you are > > trying to refer to homosexual people. ?I do not hate any criminals. > > ============================================= > > But you hate homosexuals. > > What have they ever done to you, skippy? > > So you are saying that back in the 1800's when people said gay, they > were talking about homosexuals. When they said gay nineties, they > were talking about homosexual activities. I do not hate homosexuals, > but it sort of irks me that they would ruin a perfectly good word in > the English language. Now black people are understandably offended > when anyone sings the words to Old Kentucky Home. > =========================================== > Do you still call a false hairpiece a perriwig? > Do you still call the public transport road vehicle an omnibus? > Are the yellow vehicles in New York still called taximeter-cabriolets? > Language changes and evolves, skippy. Get over it. > On a serious tangent, it's worth checking out the word "nice". Started life meaning something a bit rotten. Mutated over to meaning good, and via sarcasm, is in the business of mutating back. Al
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