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On Jul 31, 5:45�am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 30, 10:15 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jul 30, 6:13 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 30, 5:37 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 30, 3:13 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 8:39 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheism?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? Now, back onto the question
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was an atheist. His values and beliefs were much like yours
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are today.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Torquemada was a christian. His values and beliefs were much like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours are today. And you're doing your best to make us all see the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> point of shooting christians. You really are.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al. Pol Pot was just an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> dictator.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, really, aren't you talking about communism and totalitarianism?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> What does atheism have to do with it?
> >>>>>>>>>>> Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator
> >>>>>>>>>>> was being an atheist.
> >>>>>>>>>> Why?
> >>>>>>>>> Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people.
> >>>>>>>> And...?
> >>>>>>>>> Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators.
> >>>>>>>> Cite?
> >>>>>>> Well, just go ahead and list all of the Communist dictators who were
> >>>>>>> Christians, Daniel.
> >>>>>> Thomas M ntzer, for starters.
> >>>>>> I have more, but I think even one example destroys your guess that
> >>>>>> religious people are not allowed to be communist dictators.
> >>>>>> By the way, check out this quote from tienne Cabet: "Communism is
> >>>>>> Christianity... it is pure Christianity, before it was corrupted by
> >>>>>> Catholicism."
> >>>>> Never heard of Thomas Muntzer.
> >>>> Then this is an opportunity for you to do research. Seek and ye shall find.
> >>>>> Etienne Cabet sent a colony to Nauvoo,
> >>>>> Illinois, to take over the houses left by members of the Church of
> >>>>> Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints who were driven from the city by
> >>>>> mobs. The Communist colony failed.
> >>>> Irrelevant.
> >>>> --
> >>> Well, I do not think it was irrelevant.
> >> It is irrelevant to whether Christians can be communist and whether
> >> Christians can become communist dictators.
>
> >> --
>
> > Well, it was not irrelevant at the time, just as it is not irrelevant
> > now whether independent voters are allowed to run for office in this
> > country.
>
> Um, what?
>
> --
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