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On Jul 31, 11:08 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Jul 30, 5:37 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Jul 30, 3:13 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > >> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>> On Jul 22, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>>>> On Jul 21, 8:39 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Jul 21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> > >>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was...
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text -
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text -
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> atheism?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>> So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will
> > >>>>>>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim
> > >>>>>>>>>>> they were.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything?
> > >>>>>>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? Now, back onto the question
> > >>>>>>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer:
> > >>>>>>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the
> > >>>>>>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism?
> > >>>>>>>>> Stalin was an atheist. His values and beliefs were much like yours
> > >>>>>>>>> are today.
> > >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> > >>>>>>>> Torquemada was a christian. His values and beliefs were much like
> > >>>>>>>> yours are today. And you're doing your best to make us all see the
> > >>>>>>>> point of shooting christians. You really are.
> > >>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> > >>>>>>> Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al. Pol Pot was just an
> > >>>>>>> unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist
> > >>>>>>> dictator.
> > >>>>>> So, really, aren't you talking about communism and totalitarianism?
> > >>>>>> What does atheism have to do with it?
> > >>>>> Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator
> > >>>>> was being an atheist.
> > >>>> Why?
> > >>> Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people.
> > >> And...?
>
> > >>> Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators.
> > >> Cite?
>
> > > Well, just go ahead and list all of the Communist dictators who were
> > > Christians, Daniel.
>
> > Thomas M ntzer, for starters.
>
> > I have more, but I think even one example destroys your guess that
> > religious people are not allowed to be communist dictators.
>
> > By the way, check out this quote from tienne Cabet: "Communism is
> > Christianity... it is pure Christianity, before it was corrupted by
> > Catholicism."
>
> Never heard of Thomas Muntzer.  Etienne Cabet sent a colony to Nauvoo,
> Illinois, to take over the houses left by members of the Church of
> Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints who were driven from the city by
> mobs.  The Communist colony failed.
> Robert B. Winn

Probably because it was filled with crazy christian types.

Al