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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 30, 5:37�pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 30, 3:13 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 22, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 8:39 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they were.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? Now, back onto the question
>>>>>>>>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer:
>>>>>>>>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism?
>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was an atheist. His values and beliefs were much like yours
>>>>>>>>>>> are today.
>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>> Torquemada was a christian. His values and beliefs were much like
>>>>>>>>>> yours are today. And you're doing your best to make us all see the
>>>>>>>>>> point of shooting christians. You really are.
>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>> Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al. Pol Pot was just an
>>>>>>>>> unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist
>>>>>>>>> dictator.
>>>>>>>> So, really, aren't you talking about communism and totalitarianism?
>>>>>>>> What does atheism have to do with it?
>>>>>>> Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator
>>>>>>> was being an atheist.
>>>>>> Why?
>>>>> Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people.
>>>> And...?
>>>>> Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators.
>>>> Cite?
>>> Well, just go ahead and list all of the Communist dictators who were
>>> Christians, Daniel.
>> Thomas M�ntzer, for starters.
>>
>> I have more, but I think even one example destroys your guess that
>> religious people are not allowed to be communist dictators.
>>
>> By the way, check out this quote from �tienne Cabet: �"Communism is
>> Christianity... it is pure Christianity, before it was corrupted by
>> Catholicism."
>>
> Never heard of Thomas Muntzer.

Then this is an opportunity for you to do research.  Seek and ye shall find.

> Etienne Cabet sent a colony to Nauvoo,
> Illinois, to take over the houses left by members of the Church of
> Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints who were driven from the city by
> mobs.  The Communist colony failed.

Irrelevant.

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