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Article #1183Re: What is not being conserved?
From: Warren G. Anderson
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:22
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:22
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I think everyone has been pretty much missing Kens point here (or maybe I am). Consider the following. Prepare an excited particle in a state with finite uncertainty in momentum. Around the particle, put a sherical detector that measures exactly (it's a thought experiment, ok :-) the momenta of massive particles and the position of photons. Allow the excited particle to return to ground state. Now, my detector tells me the momentum of the recoiling particle. It also tells me the position of the photon. If conservation of momentum holds, from the momentum of the recoiling particle and the the momentum of the excited particle, I know the momentum of the photon to within some finite uncertainty dp. But since dx = 0 for the photon, I have dp dx = 0. So, it seems that I have to either abandon conservation of energy or Heisenberg's uncertainty principles. What this seems to indicate is that conservation of momentum is true only when you measure it to be true, ie, if you have not measured the momentum of all components of a system before and after an event, you cannot say anything about conservation of energy. This is in accord with my general understanding of observation and measurement in QM. Or is there more to it? -- ########################## _`|'_ ############################################## ## Warren G. Anderson |o o| "... for its truth does not matter, and is ## ## Dept. of Physics ( ^ ) unimaginable." -J. Ashbery, The New Spirit ## ## University of Alberta /\-/\ (anderson@fermi.phys.ualberta.ca) ##
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Newsgroups: sci.physics Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!van-bc!ubc-cs!unixg.ubc.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!news From: anderson@fermi.phys.ualberta.ca (Warren G. Anderson) Subject: Re: What is not being conserved? Message-ID: <1992Apr14.162249.17020@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca> Sender: news@kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: euclid.phys.ualberta.ca Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada References: <s4v4vINNeik@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 16:22:49 GMT Lines: 24