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On Jul 30, 6:13�pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 30, 5:37 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jul 30, 3:13 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 22, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 21, 8:39 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> >>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheism?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> they were.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? Now, back onto the question
> >>>>>>>>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism?
> >>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was an atheist. His values and beliefs were much like yours
> >>>>>>>>>>> are today.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>> Torquemada was a christian. His values and beliefs were much like
> >>>>>>>>>> yours are today. And you're doing your best to make us all see the
> >>>>>>>>>> point of shooting christians. You really are.
> >>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>> Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al. Pol Pot was just an
> >>>>>>>>> unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist
> >>>>>>>>> dictator.
> >>>>>>>> So, really, aren't you talking about communism and totalitarianism?
> >>>>>>>> What does atheism have to do with it?
> >>>>>>> Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator
> >>>>>>> was being an atheist.
> >>>>>> Why?
> >>>>> Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people.
> >>>> And...?
> >>>>> Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators.
> >>>> Cite?
> >>> Well, just go ahead and list all of the Communist dictators who were
> >>> Christians, Daniel.
> >> Thomas M ntzer, for starters.
>
> >> I have more, but I think even one example destroys your guess that
> >> religious people are not allowed to be communist dictators.
>
> >> By the way, check out this quote from tienne Cabet: "Communism is
> >> Christianity... it is pure Christianity, before it was corrupted by
> >> Catholicism."
>
> > Never heard of Thomas Muntzer.
>
> Then this is an opportunity for you to do research. �Seek and ye shall find.
>
> > Etienne Cabet sent a colony to Nauvoo,
> > Illinois, to take over the houses left by members of the Church of
> > Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints who were driven from the city by
> > mobs. �The Communist colony failed.
>
> Irrelevant.
>
> --
Well, I do not think it was irrelevant.
Robert B. Winn