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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message 
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> On Jul 29, 10:38�pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Jul 27, 3:10�pm, "thomas p." <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> > "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> skrev i en
>> > meddelelsenews:34fb05b4-6c3a-40ac-9f83-cce0aec23a28@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
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>> > > On Jul 25, 3:33 am, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> > >> "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in
>> > >> messagenews:0e62a809-81a3-4f16-a6d5-fb09b5f8ccb8@p10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
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>> > >> > On Jul 24, 5:56 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> > >> >> Alex W. wrote:
>> > >> >> > "BuddyThunder" <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
>> > >> >> >news:48864044$1@clear.net.nz...
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>> > >> >> >> There is no sin. It's a silly idea that you haven't been able 
>> > >> >> >> to
>> > >> >> >> back
>> > >> >> >> up
>> > >> >> >> at all. I just believe that people should be free to go about 
>> > >> >> >> their
>> > >> >> >> lives
>> > >> >> >> free of inexplicable religious bigotry. If you don't think you 
>> > >> >> >> fall
>> > >> >> >> into
>> > >> >> >> that category, then explain yourself. Otherwise worry about 
>> > >> >> >> your
>> > >> >> >> own
>> > >> >> >> failings before the perceived ones of others.
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>> > >> >> > Sorry, mate, you're wrong on this one.
>> > >> >> > There is sin.
>> > >> >> > Sin is an infraction of the moral code; it is a social 
>> > >> >> > construct.
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>> > >> >> I disagree. Some people would see me as sinful, I would just go 
>> > >> >> with
>> > >> >> immoral when I fall short of my own values.
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>> > >> > Which would gel with sin being the social construct. �It's a 
>> > >> > loaded
>> > >> > word though. �Everyone has their own meaning and inferences, so I
>> > >> > suggest we use other more concise words.
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>> > >> What would you suggest by way of alternatives?
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>> > >> I actually think that a great many people nowadays see "sin" no 
>> > >> longer in
>> > >> strictly religious terms. �Eating a Mars bar or binging on double
>> > >> chocolate
>> > >> chip ice cream is regarded as "sinful", or fly-tipping your 
>> > >> household
>> > >> rubbish.
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>> > >> Words are often loaded one way or another -- but that can and does
>> > >> change.
>> > >> Not too long ago, "gay" was a perfectly innocent cheerful word 
>> > >> gambolling
>> > >> along the byways of the English language. �Ditto homosexuality: we 
>> > >> may
>> > >> not
>> > >> find it particularly tasteful when having our faces thrust in it, 
>> > >> but
>> > >> most
>> > >> of us no longer regard this sexual orientation as a sin in either 
>> > >> the
>> > >> religious or the secular sense.
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>> > > Well, considering the context, I would avoid using the term and be
>> > > more specific, due to theists often jumping on meanings hidden
>> > > insentences that were never intended etc etc.
>> > > Yes, "Sin" �has come into more generalised use esp in regards to food
>> > > consumption. �But in this case it's more of a case of 
>> > > self-destructive
>> > > behaviour and not counter-moralistic. �Again, I think being specific
>> > > is useful.
>> > > And technically I was arguing that "sin" is a social construct. �Not
>> > > religious, but that using the term in a discussion between atheists
>> > > and theists might lead to miscommunication.
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>> > > Al
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>> > Discussion between atheists and theists leads to miscommunication.- 
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>> No, the minds of atheist are clear.
>> The minds of theists are clouded, holding their ancient book to guide
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> Well, in the case of Hezekiah's tunnel, the ancient book was right and
> atheists were wrong.  How do you explain it?
> Robert B. Winn

In what way were atheists wrong about Hezekiah's tunnel?

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