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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#11880
From: Smiler
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:43
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message 
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On Jul 22, 1:02?pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 20, 11:51 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jul 20, 2:17 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> >>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>> On Jul 19, 3:31 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 18, 5:48 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:51 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:45 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:31 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 8:36 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:21 pm, BuddyThunder 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 8:43 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:40 am, ben_dolan_...@reet.com (Ben 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dolan) wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2:54 pm, ben_dolan_...@reet.com (Ben 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dolan) wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your analysis, Peter. I was merely 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expanding on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statement from an atheist to show where it was 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leading: Atheists do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not believe anything.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's not true, we believe you're a fuckin' 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moron... We even have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to take that as an article of faith. The 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence isn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compelling. We do have evidence that he's a liar. 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So he could be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acting incredibly stupid, or more likely be stupid, 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's impossible to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell. But the evidence for lies is overwhelming.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we believe he's as stupid as dog shit. But we 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have evidence, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thus no need of faith, that he's a liar.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand your point, but I believe we have 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overwhelming evidence of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both. Bobby is a classic newsgroup troll who 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desparately craves
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention. Lying is an excellent way to get 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention, although it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normally means suffering considerable ridicule and 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insult in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I also believe he's rather unintelligent (as 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most newsgroup trolls
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tend to be). He has shown a remarkable inability to 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorb and integrate
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new information presented to him. There's no 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indication he reads
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything outside of the few newsgroups he spends 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countless hours posting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in. And he has shown a breathtaking lack of self 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> awareness and maturity,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether about his ridiculous physics kookiness or 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his puerile religious
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense. Taken together these point to someone 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffering from mental
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illness combined with a serious cognitive 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impairment, or as I prefer to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think of it, he's a fuckin' moron...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I'll agree it's a good summary.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Profanity is the attempt of a weak mind to make a 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strong statement,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al. ?You are agreeing with someone who has a weak 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being upset about a select set of simple sounds is 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strange to me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Profanity is such a non-issue for grown-ups, I'm far 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more interested in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ideas conveyed by the words. You're using the 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profanity to ignore
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the point.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do not have a point. ?You are using various ideas as 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an excuse to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use profanity. ? It would be more honest to just leave 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out the ideas
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and have the profanity by itself.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What an odd idea. I don't believe profanity needs an 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> excuse, it's simply
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a language feature that can be leveraged just like any 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea is still conveyed, often more forcefully. If it 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uncomfortable and lets you avoid the point being made, 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then I'd have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought you'd have been grateful for the "out"!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How is being profane dishonest?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's really quite normal. Even among the religious.- Hide 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, not quite normal. ?I get tired of atheists who can 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be totally
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unprofane except when they are talking to me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take it somewhere else.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like some cheese with that whine?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't like how atheists are talking to you, you can 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> snip our newsgroup out of your headers.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The behavior of atheists can be changed. ?I just go ahead 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and change
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pride is a sin.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that is correct.
> >>>>>>>>>> So, you just sinned.
> >>>>>>>>> In what way did I sin?
> >>>>>>>> Imagining that you have the ability to change atheists. ?The sin? 
> >>>>>>>> ?Pride.
> >>>>>>> I do not imagine anything. ?I just do things.
> >>>>>> Sorry, but you're still imagining. ?Name me one atheist that you've
> >>>>>> "changed".
> >>>>> All atheists with whom I have spoken have changed.
> >>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>> Yes. ?They all now have an abiding distrust of anything a christian
> >>>> says.
> >>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> >>> Well, no, Al, they see the problem with atheism. ?Remember, Al, the
> >>> principle of repentance is available to atheists the same as everyone
> >>> else.
> >> What problem with atheism?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Atheists deny the existence of God and Jesus Christ.
>
> How's that a problem?- Hide quoted text -
>

Well, it is not my problem.
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Not our's either, skippy.

Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279 
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