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On Jul 30, 5:37�pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 30, 3:13 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jul 22, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 21, 8:39 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> >>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. It is well
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> atheism?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> So what is the matter? Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. They will
> >>>>>>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim
> >>>>>>>>>>> they were.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything?
> >>>>>>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? Now, back onto the question
> >>>>>>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer:
> >>>>>>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the
> >>>>>>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism?
> >>>>>>>>> Stalin was an atheist. His values and beliefs were much like yours
> >>>>>>>>> are today.
> >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>> Torquemada was a christian. His values and beliefs were much like
> >>>>>>>> yours are today. And you're doing your best to make us all see the
> >>>>>>>> point of shooting christians. You really are.
> >>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>> Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al. Pol Pot was just an
> >>>>>>> unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist
> >>>>>>> dictator.
> >>>>>> So, really, aren't you talking about communism and totalitarianism?
> >>>>>> What does atheism have to do with it?
> >>>>> Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator
> >>>>> was being an atheist.
> >>>> Why?
> >>> Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people.
> >> And...?
>
> >>> Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators.
> >> Cite?
>
> > Well, just go ahead and list all of the Communist dictators who were
> > Christians, Daniel.
>
> Thomas M�ntzer, for starters.
>
> I have more, but I think even one example destroys your guess that
> religious people are not allowed to be communist dictators.
>
> By the way, check out this quote from �tienne Cabet: �"Communism is
> Christianity... it is pure Christianity, before it was corrupted by
> Catholicism."
>
Never heard of Thomas Muntzer.  Etienne Cabet sent a colony to Nauvoo,
Illinois, to take over the houses left by members of the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints who were driven from the city by
mobs.  The Communist colony failed.
Robert B. Winn