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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#11897
From: rbwinn
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:27
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On Jul 29, 10:27�pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 23, 9:34�am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
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> > BuddyThunder wrote:
> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > >> On Jul 21, 12:06 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> > >>> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>>> On Jul 20, 2:36 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > >>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Jul 20, 9:54 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 3:29 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 7:19 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 8:13 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 4:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:43 am, DanielSan
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:26 am, DanielSan
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:24 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 12:09 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:25 am, "Steve O"
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:c6ff2090-3c5f-4de6-97bf-0641d818d2e2@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you going to admit you're a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satanist, bobbie?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never been involved in atheism.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satanism is a faith.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not a subset of atheism.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, atheism is a cult of people who say, We do
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not believe in
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following anything., who follow Satan around.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Christian are those that say they follow a
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> god of love, who in
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact follow one of the most evil deities of all
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly which teachings of Jesus Christ do you
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find to be evil?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you think that Christians ONLY follow the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teachings of Jesus? �What,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example, did Jesus say about homosexuality?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He said to repent from any sins. �That would include
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality isn't a sin.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, what did Jesus say about homosexuality?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ said that repentance from any sin is
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary before the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person can enter heaven. �That includes the sin of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But homosexuality is not a sin. �Unless you can find
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where it says that
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin regardless of what I do. �There
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is no one on
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth who cannot tell that homosexuality is a sin.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm on the Earth, and I have no problem with gay people.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What they do in
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the privacy of their homes doesn't impact on me one iota.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on Earth
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would I have a problem with homosexuals?- Hide quoted text -
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> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not say you had a problem. �I said that you are able
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to tell
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that homosexuality is a sin. � If you say you cannot tell
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a sin,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are not telling the truth.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't even subscribe to the concept of sin, so no I don't
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> think it
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sinful. You may think it wrong, I don't. I can't think of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> any reason I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> would.- Hide quoted text -
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> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you would not think of it as sin when your fellow
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> atheist Josef
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin killed 12 million people. �He was just born that way
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> like
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuals are, right?
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Immoral behaviour exists quite apart from "sin" outside your
> > >>>>>>>>>>> wacky myths.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> You will note that we're not all killing peasants left, right
> > >>>>>>>>>>> and centre.- Hide quoted text -
> > >>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is immoral behavior. �So is killing 12 million
> > >>>>>>>>>> people.
> > >>>>>>>>> Why shouldn't I like homosexuals? I don't have any reason not
> > >>>>>>>>> to.- Hide quoted text -
> > >>>>>>>> It does not matter if you like or dislike homosexuals.
> > >>>>>>>> Homosexuality
> > >>>>>>>> will remain a sin.
> > >>>>>>> No, it doesn't. �Look, it sounds like you need to reread your Bible.
> > >>>>>>> You don't even know what's sinful and what isn't.
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> There is no one who cannot tell homosexuality is a sin, including the
> > >>>>>> people who participate in it.
> > >>>>> Jesus certainly didn't say anything about homosexuality being a sin.
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>> You need to understand who Jesus Christ was. �He plainly said that he
> > >>>> was Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament. �So he said what was in the
> > >>>> Old Testament as well as what he said in the New Testament.
> > >>> But the Levitical laws were fulfilled in Jesus, so we can eat as much
> > >>> shellfish and be as super-gay as we like. What? You only cherrypick the
> > >>> bits you like?- Hide quoted text -
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> > >> As Jesus Christ said, The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
> > >> What you do is your problem. �As far as I can tell, you want to spend
> > >> eternity trying to dustify sin.
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> > > There is no sin. It's a silly idea that you haven't been able to back up
> > > at all. I just believe that people should be free to go about their
> > > lives free of inexplicable religious bigotry. If you don't think you
> > > fall into that category, then explain yourself. Otherwise worry about
> > > your own failings before the perceived ones of others.
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> > Actually, there was. �"Sin" was the Judeochristian word for "criminal
> > activity". �If we do not break the law, we are not 'sinning'. �Simple.
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> > --
> > ******************************************************
> > * � � � � �DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 � � � � � �*
> > *----------------------------------------------------*
> > * "I distrust those people who know so well what God *
> > * �wants them to do because I notice it always � � � *
> > * �coincides with their own desires." � � � � � � � �*
> > * � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � --Susan B. Anthony *
> > ******************************************************- Hide quoted text -
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> Well, we have laws, in criminal codes and with punishment, not
> forgiveness.
> And we also know common sense and don't do things even distasteful.- Hide quoted text -
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Well, that would depend on your perspective.  Some people find things
like immorality, abortion, and pornography distasteful.
Robert B. Winn
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From: rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com>
Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:27:02 -0700 (PDT)
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