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Article #11897Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:27
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:27
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On Jul 29, 10:27�pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote: > On Jul 23, 9:34�am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > > > BuddyThunder wrote: > > > rbwinn wrote: > > >> On Jul 21, 12:06 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>> On Jul 20, 2:36 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>> On Jul 20, 9:54 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 3:29 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 7:19 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 8:13 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 4:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:43 am, DanielSan > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:26 am, DanielSan > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:24 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 12:09 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:25 am, "Steve O" > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:c6ff2090-3c5f-4de6-97bf-0641d818d2e2@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you going to admit you're a > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satanist, bobbie? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never been involved in atheism. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satanism is a faith. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not a subset of atheism. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, atheism is a cult of people who say, We do > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not believe in > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following anything., who follow Satan around. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Christian are those that say they follow a > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> god of love, who in > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact follow one of the most evil deities of all > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly which teachings of Jesus Christ do you > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find to be evil? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you think that Christians ONLY follow the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teachings of Jesus? �What, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example, did Jesus say about homosexuality? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He said to repent from any sins. �That would include > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality isn't a sin. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, what did Jesus say about homosexuality? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ said that repentance from any sin is > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary before the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person can enter heaven. �That includes the sin of > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But homosexuality is not a sin. �Unless you can find > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where it says that > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin regardless of what I do. �There > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is no one on > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth who cannot tell that homosexuality is a sin. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm on the Earth, and I have no problem with gay people. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What they do in > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the privacy of their homes doesn't impact on me one iota. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on Earth > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would I have a problem with homosexuals?- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not say you had a problem. �I said that you are able > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to tell > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that homosexuality is a sin. � If you say you cannot tell > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a sin, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are not telling the truth. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't even subscribe to the concept of sin, so no I don't > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> think it > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> sinful. You may think it wrong, I don't. I can't think of > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> any reason I > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> would.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you would not think of it as sin when your fellow > > >>>>>>>>>>>> atheist Josef > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin killed 12 million people. �He was just born that way > > >>>>>>>>>>>> like > > >>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuals are, right? > > >>>>>>>>>>> Immoral behaviour exists quite apart from "sin" outside your > > >>>>>>>>>>> wacky myths. > > >>>>>>>>>>> You will note that we're not all killing peasants left, right > > >>>>>>>>>>> and centre.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is immoral behavior. �So is killing 12 million > > >>>>>>>>>> people. > > >>>>>>>>> Why shouldn't I like homosexuals? I don't have any reason not > > >>>>>>>>> to.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>>>>> It does not matter if you like or dislike homosexuals. > > >>>>>>>> Homosexuality > > >>>>>>>> will remain a sin. > > >>>>>>> No, it doesn't. �Look, it sounds like you need to reread your Bible. > > >>>>>>> You don't even know what's sinful and what isn't. > > >>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>> There is no one who cannot tell homosexuality is a sin, including the > > >>>>>> people who participate in it. > > >>>>> Jesus certainly didn't say anything about homosexuality being a sin. > > >>>>> -- > > >>>> You need to understand who Jesus Christ was. �He plainly said that he > > >>>> was Jehovah, the God of the Old Testament. �So he said what was in the > > >>>> Old Testament as well as what he said in the New Testament. > > >>> But the Levitical laws were fulfilled in Jesus, so we can eat as much > > >>> shellfish and be as super-gay as we like. What? You only cherrypick the > > >>> bits you like?- Hide quoted text - > > > >> As Jesus Christ said, The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. > > >> What you do is your problem. �As far as I can tell, you want to spend > > >> eternity trying to dustify sin. > > > > There is no sin. It's a silly idea that you haven't been able to back up > > > at all. I just believe that people should be free to go about their > > > lives free of inexplicable religious bigotry. If you don't think you > > > fall into that category, then explain yourself. Otherwise worry about > > > your own failings before the perceived ones of others. > > > Actually, there was. �"Sin" was the Judeochristian word for "criminal > > activity". �If we do not break the law, we are not 'sinning'. �Simple. > > > -- > > ****************************************************** > > * � � � � �DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 � � � � � �* > > *----------------------------------------------------* > > * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * > > * �wants them to do because I notice it always � � � * > > * �coincides with their own desires." � � � � � � � �* > > * � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � --Susan B. Anthony * > > ******************************************************- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, we have laws, in criminal codes and with punishment, not > forgiveness. > And we also know common sense and don't do things even distasteful.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, that would depend on your perspective. Some people find things like immorality, abortion, and pornography distasteful. Robert B. Winn
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