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Article #12018Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: Steve O
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:11
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:11
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"DanielSan" <danielsan@speakeasy.net> wrote in message news:2ZKdnT-XCaWZyBjVnZ2dnUVZ_t7inZ2d@speakeasy.net... > rbwinn wrote: >> On Jul 21, 6:58 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >>> rbwinn wrote: >>>> On Jul 21, 12:09 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>> On Jul 20, 1:05 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 3:29 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 7:19 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 8:13 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 4:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:43 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:26 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:24 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 12:09 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:25�am, "Steve O" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:c6ff2090-3c5f-4de6-97bf-0641d818d2e2@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you going to admit you're a satanist, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bobbie? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never been involved in atheism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satanism is a faith. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not a subset of atheism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, atheism is a cult of people who say, We do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not believe in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following anything., who follow Satan around. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Christian are those that say they follow a god >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of love, who in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact follow one of the most evil deities of all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly which teachings of Jesus Christ do you find >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be evil? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you think that Christians ONLY follow the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teachings of Jesus? What, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example, did Jesus say about homosexuality? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He said to repent from any sins. That would include >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality isn't a sin. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, what did Jesus say about homosexuality? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ said that repentance from any sin is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary before the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person can enter heaven. That includes the sin of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But homosexuality is not a sin. Unless you can find where >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it says that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin regardless of what I do. There is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no one on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth who cannot tell that homosexuality is a sin. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm on the Earth, and I have no problem with gay people. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What they do in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the privacy of their homes doesn't impact on me one iota. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on Earth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would I have a problem with homosexuals?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not say you had a problem. I said that you are able to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that homosexuality is a sin. If you say you cannot tell it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a sin, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are not telling the truth. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't even subscribe to the concept of sin, so no I don't >>>>>>>>>>>>> think it >>>>>>>>>>>>> sinful. You may think it wrong, I don't. I can't think of any >>>>>>>>>>>>> reason I >>>>>>>>>>>>> would.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you would not think of it as sin when your fellow atheist >>>>>>>>>>>> Josef >>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin killed 12 million people. He was just born that way >>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuals are, right? >>>>>>>>>>> Immoral behaviour exists quite apart from "sin" outside your >>>>>>>>>>> wacky myths. >>>>>>>>>>> You will note that we're not all killing peasants left, right >>>>>>>>>>> and centre.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is immoral behavior. So is killing 12 million >>>>>>>>>> people. >>>>>>>>> Why shouldn't I like homosexuals? I don't have any reason not to.- >>>>>>>>> Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> It does not matter if you like or dislike homosexuals. >>>>>>>> Homosexuality >>>>>>>> will remain a sin. >>>>>>> What a silly idea. And apparently indefensible. Isn't it lucky that >>>>>>> church and state are supposed to be separate.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>> So as I understand it, you are saying that only atheists and >>>>>> homosexuals are allowed to participate in government. >>>>> Well, your understanding is shown to be faulty again. >>>>> I was saying that it's lucky that religious belief (theoretically) >>>>> must >>>>> stay out of public policy. Keeps the religious bigots out, and secures >>>>> the best deal for the widest range of citizenry. >>>>> Theocracies seem like no fun to me!- Hide quoted text - >>>> So why are you trying to set up a theocracy with atheism as the state >>>> religion? >>> BZZT! Atheism is not a religion. >>> >> It is a form of idol worship. > > Err, which idol are we worshiping? I think it's the Fatted Calf this week, not sure. -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
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