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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: Steve O
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 05:11
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"DanielSan" <danielsan@speakeasy.net> wrote in message 
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> rbwinn wrote:
>> On Jul 21, 6:58 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>> On Jul 21, 12:09 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 20, 1:05 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 3:29 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 7:19 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 8:13 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 4:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:43 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:26 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:24 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 12:09 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:25�am, "Steve O" 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:c6ff2090-3c5f-4de6-97bf-0641d818d2e2@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you going to admit you're a satanist, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bobbie?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never been involved in atheism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satanism is a faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not a subset of atheism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, atheism is a cult of people who say, We do 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following anything., who follow Satan around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Christian are those that say they follow a god 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of love, who in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact follow one of the most evil deities of all 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly which teachings of Jesus Christ do you find 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be evil?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you think that Christians ONLY follow the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teachings of Jesus?  What,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example, did Jesus say about homosexuality?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He said to repent from any sins.  That would include 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality isn't a sin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, what did Jesus say about homosexuality?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ said that repentance from any sin is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person can enter heaven.  That includes the sin of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But homosexuality is not a sin.  Unless you can find where 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it says that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin regardless of what I do.  There is 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no one on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth who cannot tell that homosexuality is a sin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm on the Earth, and I have no problem with gay people. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What they do in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the privacy of their homes doesn't impact on me one iota. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why on Earth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would I have a problem with homosexuals?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not say you had a problem.  I said that you are able to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that homosexuality is a sin.   If you say you cannot tell it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a sin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are not telling the truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't even subscribe to the concept of sin, so no I don't 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sinful. You may think it wrong, I don't. I can't think of any 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you would not think of it as sin when your fellow atheist 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Josef
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin killed 12 million people.  He was just born that way 
>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuals are, right?
>>>>>>>>>>> Immoral behaviour exists quite apart from "sin" outside your 
>>>>>>>>>>> wacky myths.
>>>>>>>>>>> You will note that we're not all killing peasants left, right 
>>>>>>>>>>> and centre.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is immoral behavior.  So is killing 12 million 
>>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>> Why shouldn't I like homosexuals? I don't have any reason not to.- 
>>>>>>>>> Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>> It does not matter if you like or dislike homosexuals. 
>>>>>>>> Homosexuality
>>>>>>>> will remain a sin.
>>>>>>> What a silly idea. And apparently indefensible. Isn't it lucky that
>>>>>>> church and state are supposed to be separate.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>> So as I understand it, you are saying that only atheists and
>>>>>> homosexuals are allowed to participate in government.
>>>>> Well, your understanding is shown to be faulty again.
>>>>> I was saying that it's lucky that religious belief (theoretically) 
>>>>> must
>>>>> stay out of public policy. Keeps the religious bigots out, and secures
>>>>> the best deal for the widest range of citizenry.
>>>>> Theocracies seem like no fun to me!- Hide quoted text -
>>>> So why are you trying to set up a theocracy with atheism as the state
>>>> religion?
>>> BZZT!  Atheism is not a religion.
>>>
>> It is a form of idol worship.
>
> Err, which idol are we worshiping?

I think it's the Fatted Calf this week, not sure.

-- 
Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence

 
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From: "Steve O" <nospamhere@thanks.com>
Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 06:11:26 +0100
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