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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: rbwinn
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:10
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On Jul 21, 6:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 20, 3:05 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jul 20, 10:19 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:d56410cf-c39e-4de7-9b1a-51ae24806393@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>> On Jul 20, 3:35 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 19, 8:49 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 7:19 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 8:13 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 4:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:43 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:26 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:24 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 12:09 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:25�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:c6ff2090-3c5f-4de6-97bf-0641d818d2e2@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you going to admit you're a satanist,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bobbie?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never been involved in atheism.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satanism is a faith.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not a subset of atheism.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, atheism is a cult of people who say, We do not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following anything., who follow Satan around.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Christian are those that say they follow a god of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love, who in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact follow one of the most evil deities of all history.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly which teachings of Jesus Christ do you find to be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evil?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you think that Christians ONLY follow the teachings of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus? What,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example, did Jesus say about homosexuality?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He said to repent from any sins. That would include
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality isn't a sin.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, what did Jesus say about homosexuality?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ said that repentance from any sin is necessary
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person can enter heaven. That includes the sin of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But homosexuality is not a sin. Unless you can find where it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin regardless of what I do. There is no one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth who cannot tell that homosexuality is a sin.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm on the Earth, and I have no problem with gay people. What
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the privacy of their homes doesn't impact on me one iota. Why on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would I have a problem with homosexuals?- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not say you had a problem. I said that you are able to tell
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that homosexuality is a sin. If you say you cannot tell it is a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> sin,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> you are not telling the truth.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't even subscribe to the concept of sin, so no I don't think
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> sinful. You may think it wrong, I don't. I can't think of any
> >>>>>>>>>>>> reason I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> would.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, you would not think of it as sin when your fellow atheist
> >>>>>>>>>>> Josef
> >>>>>>>>>>> Stalin killed 12 million people. He was just born that way like
> >>>>>>>>>>> homosexuals are, right?
> >>>>>>>>>> Immoral behaviour exists quite apart from "sin" outside your wacky
> >>>>>>>>>> myths.
> >>>>>>>>>> You will note that we're not all killing peasants left, right and
> >>>>>>>>>> centre.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is immoral behavior. So is killing 12 million people.
> >>>>>>>> Homosexuality is not immoral.
> >>>>>>> Explain it to Jesus Christ. It does not have anything to do with me.
> >>>>>> This is a neat trick.
> >>>>>> Your religion has allowed you to disavow any responsibility for your
> >>>>>> bigotry.
> >>>>>> ...and because it's a religious opinion, it automatically gets more
> >>>>>> respect than it deserves.
> >>>>>> You can hold the vilest of opinions, and never have to back them up at
> >>>>>> all.
> >>>>>> Genius!- Hide quoted text -
> >>>> That's how religion works.
> >>>> It gives people excuses to behave atrociously, all in the name of God.
> >>>> So immoral.
> >>>>> If you do not like it, complain to Jesus Christ.  He told us to stay
> >>>>> out of homosexuality.
> >>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>> Please quote the part of the New Testament where he does that.
> >>>> Or go back and read your bible properly.
> >>> Matthew 7:21`  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
> >>> enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my
> >>> Father which is in heaven.
> >> Sorry, but I see nothing there that says that Jesus tells us to "stay
> >> out of homosexuality".
>
> > Well, then find out for yourself if it means to stay out of
> > homosexuality.
>
> How would I go about doing that?
>
I don't care how you find out.  All I can do is tell you what it
means.
Robert B. Winn
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From: rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com>
Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
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