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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#12079
From: DanielSan
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:44
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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 21, 6:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 20, 3:05 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:19 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:d56410cf-c39e-4de7-9b1a-51ae24806393@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 3:35 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 8:49 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 7:19 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 8:13 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 4:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:43 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:26 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:24 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 12:09 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:25�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:c6ff2090-3c5f-4de6-97bf-0641d818d2e2@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you going to admit you're a satanist,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bobbie?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never been involved in atheism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satanism is a faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not a subset of atheism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, atheism is a cult of people who say, We do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following anything., who follow Satan around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Christian are those that say they follow a god of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love, who in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact follow one of the most evil deities of all history.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly which teachings of Jesus Christ do you find to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evil?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you think that Christians ONLY follow the teachings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus? What,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example, did Jesus say about homosexuality?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He said to repent from any sins. That would include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality isn't a sin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, what did Jesus say about homosexuality?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ said that repentance from any sin is necessary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person can enter heaven. That includes the sin of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But homosexuality is not a sin. Unless you can find where it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin regardless of what I do. There is no one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth who cannot tell that homosexuality is a sin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm on the Earth, and I have no problem with gay people. What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the privacy of their homes doesn't impact on me one iota. Why on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would I have a problem with homosexuals?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not say you had a problem. I said that you are able to tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that homosexuality is a sin. If you say you cannot tell it is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are not telling the truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't even subscribe to the concept of sin, so no I don't think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sinful. You may think it wrong, I don't. I can't think of any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you would not think of it as sin when your fellow atheist
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josef
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin killed 12 million people. He was just born that way like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuals are, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Immoral behaviour exists quite apart from "sin" outside your wacky
>>>>>>>>>>>> myths.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You will note that we're not all killing peasants left, right and
>>>>>>>>>>>> centre.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is immoral behavior. So is killing 12 million people.
>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is not immoral.
>>>>>>>>> Explain it to Jesus Christ. It does not have anything to do with me.
>>>>>>>> This is a neat trick.
>>>>>>>> Your religion has allowed you to disavow any responsibility for your
>>>>>>>> bigotry.
>>>>>>>> ...and because it's a religious opinion, it automatically gets more
>>>>>>>> respect than it deserves.
>>>>>>>> You can hold the vilest of opinions, and never have to back them up at
>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>> Genius!- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>> That's how religion works.
>>>>>> It gives people excuses to behave atrociously, all in the name of God.
>>>>>> So immoral.
>>>>>>> If you do not like it, complain to Jesus Christ.  He told us to stay
>>>>>>> out of homosexuality.
>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>> Please quote the part of the New Testament where he does that.
>>>>>> Or go back and read your bible properly.
>>>>> Matthew 7:21`  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
>>>>> enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my
>>>>> Father which is in heaven.
>>>> Sorry, but I see nothing there that says that Jesus tells us to "stay
>>>> out of homosexuality".
>>> Well, then find out for yourself if it means to stay out of
>>> homosexuality.
>> How would I go about doing that?
>>
> I don't care how you find out.  All I can do is tell you what it
> means.

So, you can't back up your assertions.

Color me unsurprised.


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*          DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226            *
*----------------------------------------------------*
* "I distrust those people who know so well what God *
*  wants them to do because I notice it always       *
*  coincides with their own desires."                *
*                                 --Susan B. Anthony *
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