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Article #12129Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:15
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:15
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On Jul 20, 1:59 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
<alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> On Jul 18, 10:31 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
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> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Jul 17, 5:42 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > > >> rbwinn wrote:
> > > >>> On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> > > >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Jul 15, 6:39�am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> > > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? �This would be a first for an
> > > >>>>>>>>> atheist. �All other atheists tell me that they do not have sins
> > > >>>>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin.
> > > >>>>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is
> > > >>>>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms.
> > > >>>>>>> Right. �Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 12
> > > >>>>>>> million people.
> > > >>>>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and will
> > > >>>>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog).
> > > >>>>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the
> > > >>>>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross.
> > > >>>>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), who
> > > >>>>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country that
> > > >>>>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes.
> > > >>>>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or that
> > > >>>>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many counter-examples in
> > > >>>>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw is that
> > > >>>>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be drawn to or
> > > >>>>>> away from religion.
> > > >>>>>> TLA
> > > >>>>> So was this John Towland an atheist?
> > > >>>> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog of
> > > >>>> Hitler.
> > > >>>>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular
> > > >>>>> with the German people. His actions in his life show that he did not
> > > >>>>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of today.
> > > >>>> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia who
> > > >>>> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because they've
> > > >>>> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge, and
> > > >>>> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in this
> > > >>>> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably more.
> > > >>>> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to recalibrate
> > > >>>> your humanity.
> > > >>>> TLA- Hide quoted text -
> > > >>> Well, I don't really see much evidence of it. Stalin and Pol Pot were
> > > >>> both atheists.
> > > >> They were also both men. So what?
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> > > >>> But politicians who killed large numbers of people
> > > >>> cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which
> > > >>> was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions.
> > > >> Number of abortions in United States since George W. Bush's
> > > >> inauguration: Approximately 9 million
> > > >> George W. Bush's religious affiliation: Christian
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> > > >> What were you saying again?
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> > > >> --
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> > > > George W. Bush is completely irrelevant, as the next President of the
> > > > United States will be. All major decisions are made by the atheistic
> > > > Supreme Court, which at the present time holds the position of
> > > > Judicial dictatorship in the United States.
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> > > Religious affiliations of Supreme Court Justices:
> > > Roberts: Roman Catholic
> > > Stevens: Protestant
> > > Scalia: Roman Catholic
> > > Kennedy: Roman Catholic
> > > Souter: Episcopalian
> > > Thomas: Roman Catholic
> > > Breyer: Jewish
> > > Alito: Roman Catholic
> > > Ginsburg: Jewish
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> > > The Supreme Court follows the Constitution of the United States of
> > > America, the federal law of the land.
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> > > What were you saying again?
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> > > --
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> > During my lifetime the Supreme Court has not made even one decision
> > that did not promote atheism. It does not matter if they all claim to
> > be religious. Actions speak louder than words.
> > Robert B. Winn
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> Actions do speak louder than words. Whic is why I condemn Christians
> as malignant bastards and atheists seem to be the best of humanity.
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> Al- Hide quoted text -
Well, whic is probably the most intelligent reason I have seen an
atheist give.
Robert B. Winn
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