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On Jul 21, 12:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > >> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>> On Jul 20, 6:34�am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic.
> > >>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again.
> > >>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was...
> > >>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888?
> > >>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was
> > >>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer.
> > >>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in
> > >>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power.
> > >>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that.
> > >>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were
> > >>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the
> > >>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it
> > >>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text -
> > >>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> > >>>>> That is quite a statement. �So you are saying that Stalin did not
> > >>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto?
> > >>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He
> > >>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that
> > >>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you
> > >>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text -
> > >>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union.  It is well
> > >>> documented.
> > >> And what's that got to do with atheism?
>
> > > Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been
> > > a Christian by atheists of today.
>
> > Don't change the subject.  What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to
> > atheism?
>
> > --
>
> So what is the matter?  Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists.  They will
> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim
> they were.
> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything?
> Robert B. Winn

Yes.  Personal responsibility.  I'm not Pol Pot, nor am I Joseph
Stalin.  Nor do they represent normal atheists.
If you want to take responsibility for all crimes committed by
religious people, feel free.  There's plenty butchers in that camp.

Al