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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 20, 10:19 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 20, 9:50 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 19, 10:51 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 10:03 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 12:11 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 8:43 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 8:13 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17 jul, 05:29, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 1:31 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 jul, 16:23, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 9:20 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14 jul, 05:42, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 1:12 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 jul, 16:22, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 12:10 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 7:29�am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:21:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You atheists seem to have a lot of trouble with the meanings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words. ?There was another atheist who seemed to believe that adult and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adulterer meant the same thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which is an old joke that you obviously didn't get.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a very foolish mistake. �Although the two words look and sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar, they mean very different things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd explain the meaning of "a play on words", but it would be like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouring water on a rock and expecting it to sink in...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With atheists, it is not a play on words.  They really believe that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adulterers are the most mature adults.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists don't believe anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More lies from the Prince of Lies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its amazing how much ore of an atheist I want to be, listening to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, there you have it.  Atheists don't believe anything, they don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do anything, and they don't think anything.  It does not sound very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exciting to me, but maybe it does to an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well. Atheist are not lying their butt off like you do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of them believe in natural explanations,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of them have a job,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and many of them are intelligent enough not to make as silly a claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as to say someone else doesn't think anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your statement would be truth though if it was made about dead people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But if all dead people are atheists, what would that mean for heaven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and hell?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think about it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure you have enough brains to understand,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I only doubt whether you will use them on this issue or perfer to keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making silly statements
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter van Velzen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> July 2008
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amstelveen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Netherlands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's where you are wrong, Peter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You think rbwinn got brain? OK, has a brain but without cells...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you do not know he has mental problem, which the scientists have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not come up with any cure yet?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always assume that a person with whom I can have some kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation, is more or less intelligent in the same way I am.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Though rbwinn sometimes posts like a moron, that does not nescesarily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean he is one. He sort of acknowledged he was actually mocking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheism, by pursuing the line "an atheist has no believe". And if that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would indeed be true, than logic requires that the atheist does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think. For what is there to think about unless you believe something?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway I always treat posters as if they can understand what I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I will keep doing do, however hard those posters are trying not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter van Velzen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> July 2008
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amstelveen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Netherlands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PS In order to make this post I had to believe:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn exists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My computer exists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google exists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (my provider doesn't provide Newsgroup access)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sci.physics,cam.mist,alt.sci.physics or alt.atheism exists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> English exists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The english words mean what I think they mean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Others can understand the English I produce.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone who doesn't believe all of this (except maybe for Google and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot sensibly reply to your post.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Europeans are very existential.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somehow Robert, I do not think my philosophy is existentialism. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it rather borders on pragmatism. Discussions become rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningsless, unless one accepts there is a ground for it. So in order
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to exchange thought with you, I have to suppose that to be possible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My main premise is that you are an intelligent human being, able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand what I am saying and able to make me understand what you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are thinking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Besides discussions becoming worthless if this were not the case, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it's a mater of courtesy also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some peopleon usenet are very quick to dismiss others as inferior. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admit some people have superior knowledge and/or superior
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding. But communication works best if we try and find a way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to exchange ideas without making arrogant assumptions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even if someone says something that seems utterly stupid, one should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try an find out their reason for saying it. Many times we find out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that there is less stupidity in the person than in his/her words.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I have never met an atheist who wanted to communicate.  What is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it that you want to communicate?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To my amazement, my previous reply dissappeared.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I will try to repost what I said then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Generally I want to communicate to people, that I care about them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To you in particular I want to say that eveyone who calls himself an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheist, does at least want to communnicate that he is one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you get the impression that atheists do not want to communicate,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that might be because of the negative way you are approaching them. A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liittle more open-mindedness might be sufficient for getting more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friendly replies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I can see, you are shouting out misconceptions about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheists, that lead many of them to claim you are stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not think you are stupid, but I do think you knowledge about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheism is very poor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is what I want to say to you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (apart from the general fact that I care)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter van Velzen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, there may be an atheist somewhere who is actually trying to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> good person just as there may be an honest lawyer somewhere, but these
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people in this newsgroup are not examples of that.   These are people
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who regard themselves as being more intelligent than others because
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have rejected religion.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, no one thinks that.  They're just more intelligent than you.
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, the correct definition of intelligence is the capacity to obey
>>>>>>>>>>> God.  That would seem to mean that you folks are a little bit lacking.
>>>>>>>>>> And that's why everyone in alt.atheism are more intelligent than you.
>>>>>>>>>> Intelligence:
>>>>>>>>>> capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of
>>>>>>>>>> mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts,
>>>>>>>>>> meanings, etc.
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> If you want to believe you are more intelligent than I am, go ahead
>>>>>>>>> and believe that.  It does not mean anything to me.
>>>>>>>> Then why post to alt.atheism at all?
>>>>>>> I cannot see any reason to do it.  
>>>>>> So, you'll stop?
>>>>>>> Maybe some of the other atheists
>>>>>>> could tell you why they do it.
>>>>>> Because they want to.
>>>>> I never started.  The only newsgroups I post to are sci.physics and
>>>>> sci.physics.relativity.
>>>> BZZT!  ALERT!  ALERT!  Lie detected!  Lie detected!  Commandment 9
>>>> broken!  Commandment 9 broken!
>>>> You are posting to cam.misc and alt.atheism as well.  Check your
>>>> headers, numbnuts.
>>> I do not care about the headers.  
>> So, you admit to lying?  That's a commandment you broke, Winn.  You
>> don't care about that?
>>
>>> Atheists are the ones complaining
>>> about my posts.  
>> No, we're complaining about your lying about not posting to alt.atheism.
>>
>>> If you do not want to see my posts, take sci.physics
>>> and sci.physics. relativity out of the header.
>> I don't really care where you post.  I do care that you lie about it.
>>
> 
> Well, it is certainly wonderful to see an atheist who cares about
> something.

Look, look, I'm a cartoon!! If hhat makes it easier for you to deal 
with, rather than actually holding opinions based in reality then, ho hum.