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On Jul 20, 8:50 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
<alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> On Jul 20, 9:37 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 19, 10:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
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> > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > On Jul 19, 10:11�pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> > > >>>news:9445436b-52c9-44e7-8b37-1a8008c43c98@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> > > >>> On Jul 18, 5:32 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > > >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:42 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 6:39?am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? ?This would be a
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first for an
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheist. ?All other atheists tell me that they do not have
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sins
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. ?Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 12
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> million people.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> will
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog).
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father),
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> who
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> that
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> that
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> counter-examples in
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> is that
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> drawn to or
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> away from religion.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> TLA
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> So was this John Towland an atheist?
> > > >>>>>>>>>> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog
> > > >>>>>>>>>> of
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Hitler.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> with the German people. His actions in his life show that he did
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> not
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> today.
> > > >>>>>>>>>> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia
> > > >>>>>>>>>> who
> > > >>>>>>>>>> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because
> > > >>>>>>>>>> they've
> > > >>>>>>>>>> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge,
> > > >>>>>>>>>> and
> > > >>>>>>>>>> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in
> > > >>>>>>>>>> this
> > > >>>>>>>>>> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably
> > > >>>>>>>>>> more.
> > > >>>>>>>>>> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to
> > > >>>>>>>>>> recalibrate
> > > >>>>>>>>>> your humanity.
> > > >>>>>>>>>> TLA- Hide quoted text -
> > > >>>>>>>>> Well, I don't really see much evidence of it. Stalin and Pol Pot
> > > >>>>>>>>> were
> > > >>>>>>>>> both atheists.
> > > >>>>>>>> They were also both men. So what?
> > > >>>>>>>>> But politicians who killed large numbers of people
> > > >>>>>>>>> cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which
> > > >>>>>>>>> was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions.
> > > >>>>>>>> Number of abortions in United States since George W. Bush's
> > > >>>>>>>> inauguration: Approximately 9 million
> > > >>>>>>>> George W. Bush's religious affiliation: Christian
> > > >>>>>>>> What were you saying again?
> > > >>>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>> George W. Bush is completely irrelevant, as the next President of the
> > > >>>>>>> United States will be. All major decisions are made by the atheistic
> > > >>>>>>> Supreme Court, which at the present time holds the position of
> > > >>>>>>> Judicial dictatorship in the United States.
> > > >>>>>> Religious affiliations of Supreme Court Justices:
> > > >>>>>> Roberts: Roman Catholic
> > > >>>>>> Stevens: Protestant
> > > >>>>>> Scalia: Roman Catholic
> > > >>>>>> Kennedy: Roman Catholic
> > > >>>>>> Souter: Episcopalian
> > > >>>>>> Thomas: Roman Catholic
> > > >>>>>> Breyer: Jewish
> > > >>>>>> Alito: Roman Catholic
> > > >>>>>> Ginsburg: Jewish
> > > >>>>>> The Supreme Court follows the Constitution of the United States of
> > > >>>>>> America, the federal law of the land.
> > > >>>>>> What were you saying again?
> > > >>>>>> --
> > > >>>>> During my lifetime the Supreme Court has not made even one decision
> > > >>>>> that did not promote atheism. It does not matter if they all claim to
> > > >>>>> be religious. Actions speak louder than words.
> > > >>>> Perhaps you can name me one decision that "promoted atheism".
> > > >> <piggybacking here to respond to Winn>
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> > > >>> Roe v. Wade
> > > >> BZZT! �Roe v. Wade did not promote atheism. �Try again.
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> > > > Roe v. Wade accomplished one of the primary goals of atheism,
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> > > BZZT!  There are no goals of atheism.  Try again.
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> > > --
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> > So you are saying that the atheistic rulers of China do not try to
> > control the population of China by limiting reproduction to one child
> > per couple?  Now we have the same kind of government here in the
> > United States in which the atheistic members of the Supreme Court can
> > begin to limit reproduction in the United States.  That is one reason
> > why atheists have begun to promote homosexuality.  They see it as a
> > means of limiting and controlling population.
> > Robert B. Winn
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> The marxist communist ideals that the Chinese rulers adhere to are
> particularly anti-religious due to organised religion's ability to
> organise people.  Generally speaking, marxist governments don't really
> care whether people are theists or atheists, they care about
> alternative organisations having a say in the minds of their
> subjects.  It's all about control of the population.  Something
> communism tends to be very clumsy with.
> I don't expect you'll see the distinction, as it's not being preached
> to you by your pastor.
> And China doesn't limit reproduction.  It has financial incentives in
> place to encourage single child families.  Yes, they're somewhat
> draconian.  But also, yes, something needed to be done.
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> Al- Hide quoted text -

Well, I thought you would be in line with Communism on that one, Al.
Robert B. Winn