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Article #12198Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: DanielSan
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:35
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:35
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rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 20, 7:30 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> On Jul 21, 12:24 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 20, 2:17 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" >>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>> On Jul 19, 3:31 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >>>>> On Jul 18, 5:48 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:51 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:45 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:31 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 8:36 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:21 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 8:43�pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:40 am, ben_dolan_...@reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2:54 pm, ben_dolan_...@reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your analysis, Peter. �I was merely expanding on a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statement from an atheist to show where it was leading: �Atheists do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not believe anything. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's not true, we believe you're a fuckin' moron... We even have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to take that as an article of faith. �The evidence isn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compelling. �We do have evidence that he's a liar. �So he could be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acting incredibly stupid, or more likely be stupid, it's impossible to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell. �But the evidence for lies is overwhelming. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we believe he's as stupid as dog shit. �But we have evidence, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thus no need of faith, that he's a liar. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand your point, but I believe we have overwhelming evidence of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both. Bobby is a classic newsgroup troll who desparately craves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention. Lying is an excellent way to get attention, although it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normally means suffering considerable ridicule and insult in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I also believe he's rather unintelligent (as most newsgroup trolls >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tend to be). He has shown a remarkable inability to absorb and integrate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new information presented to him. There's no indication he reads >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything outside of the few newsgroups he spends countless hours posting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in. And he has shown a breathtaking lack of self awareness and maturity, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether about his ridiculous physics kookiness or his puerile religious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense. Taken together these point to someone suffering from mental >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illness combined with a serious cognitive impairment, or as I prefer to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think of it, he's a fuckin' moron... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I'll agree it's a good summary. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Profanity is the attempt of a weak mind to make a strong statement, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al. You are agreeing with someone who has a weak mind. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being upset about a select set of simple sounds is strange to me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Profanity is such a non-issue for grown-ups, I'm far more interested in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ideas conveyed by the words. You're using the profanity to ignore >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the point.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do not have a point. You are using various ideas as an excuse to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use profanity. It would be more honest to just leave out the ideas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and have the profanity by itself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What an odd idea. I don't believe profanity needs an excuse, it's simply >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a language feature that can be leveraged just like any other. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea is still conveyed, often more forcefully. If it makes you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uncomfortable and lets you avoid the point being made, then I'd have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought you'd have been grateful for the "out"! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How is being profane dishonest? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's really quite normal. Even among the religious.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, not quite normal. I get tired of atheists who can be totally >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unprofane except when they are talking to me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take it somewhere else. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like some cheese with that whine? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't like how atheists are talking to you, you can certainly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> snip our newsgroup out of your headers. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The behavior of atheists can be changed. I just go ahead and change >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>> Pride is a sin. >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that is correct. >>>>>>>>>> So, you just sinned. >>>>>>>>> In what way did I sin? >>>>>>>> Imagining that you have the ability to change atheists. The sin? Pride. >>>>>>> I do not imagine anything. I just do things. >>>>>> Sorry, but you're still imagining. Name me one atheist that you've >>>>>> "changed". >>>>> All atheists with whom I have spoken have changed. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> Yes. They all now have an abiding distrust of anything a christian >>>> says. >>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>> Well, no, Al, they see the problem with atheism. Remember, Al, the >>> principle of repentance is available to atheists the same as everyone >>> else. >>> Robert B. Winn >> The only consistent change in attitude I've noticed in atheists who >> have come in contact with you is an increased acknowledgement of how >> crazy christians are. The only thing they regret more than before >> would be trying to educate crazy christians. >> >> Al >> PS: If you want to stop being called a liar all the time, you might >> want to stop telling people what they think and what they said, when >> it's clear that you are drivelling shit.- Hide quoted text - >> > > What I want to do, Al, is to let you decide for yourselves what you > are going to do. If nothing else, you might be able to learn to do > that for yourselves. So, you think we haven't done that ages before you ever first put fingers-to-keyboard and posted your malarkey to alt.atheism? -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
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