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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:02:22 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com>
wrote in alt.atheism:

>On Jul 20, 9:36�am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
>wrote:
>> On 19 jul, 20:56, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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>> > On Jul 19, 8:43�am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
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>> > > rbwinn wrote:
>> > > > On Jul 19, 8:13 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >> On 17 jul, 05:29, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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>> > > >>> On Jul 16, 1:31 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
>> > > >>> wrote:
>> > > >>>> On 16 jul, 16:23, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>> > > >>>>> On Jul 15, 9:20 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
>> > > >>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>> On 14 jul, 05:42, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 1:12 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
>> > > >>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>> On 13 jul, 16:22, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 12:10 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 7:29?am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:21:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You atheists seem to have a lot of trouble with the meanings of
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words. ?There was another atheist who seemed to believe that adult and
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adulterer meant the same thing.
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which is an old joke that you obviously didn't get.
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a very foolish mistake. ?Although the two words look and sound
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> similar, they mean very different things.
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I'd explain the meaning of "a play on words", but it would be like
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> pouring water on a rock and expecting it to sink in...
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> With atheists, it is not a play on words. �They really believe that
>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> adulterers are the most mature adults.
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Atheists don't believe anything.
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> More lies from the Prince of Lies.
>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Its amazing how much ore of an atheist I want to be, listening to you.
>> > > >>>>>>>>> Well, there you have it. �Atheists don't believe anything, they don't
>> > > >>>>>>>>> do anything, and they don't think anything. �It does not sound very
>> > > >>>>>>>>> exciting to me, but maybe it does to an atheist.
>> > > >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>> > > >>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>> > > >>>>>>>> Well. Atheist are not lying their butt off like you do.
>> > > >>>>>>>> Most of them believe in natural explanations,
>> > > >>>>>>>> most of them have a job,
>> > > >>>>>>>> and many of them are intelligent enough not to make as silly a claim
>> > > >>>>>>>> as to say someone else doesn't think anything.
>> > > >>>>>>>> Your statement would be truth though if it was made about dead people.
>> > > >>>>>>>> But if all dead people are atheists, what would that mean for heaven
>> > > >>>>>>>> and hell?
>> > > >>>>>>>> Think about it!
>> > > >>>>>>>> I am sure you have enough brains to understand,
>> > > >>>>>>>> I only doubt whether you will use them on this issue or perfer to keep
>> > > >>>>>>>> making silly statements
>> > > >>>>>>>> Peter van Velzen
>> > > >>>>>>>> July 2008
>> > > >>>>>>>> Amstelveen
>> > > >>>>>>>> The Netherlands
>> > > >>>>>>> That's where you are wrong, Peter.
>> > > >>>>>>> You think rbwinn got brain? OK, has a brain but without cells...
>> > > >>>>>>> But you do not know he has mental problem, which the scientists have
>> > > >>>>>>> not come up with any cure yet?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>> > > >>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>> > > >>>>>> I always assume that a person with whom I can have some kind of
>> > > >>>>>> conversation, is more or less intelligent in the same way I am.
>> > > >>>>>> Though rbwinn sometimes posts like a moron, that does not nescesarily
>> > > >>>>>> mean he is one. He sort of acknowledged he was actually mocking
>> > > >>>>>> atheism, by pursuing the line "an atheist has no believe". And if that
>> > > >>>>>> would indeed be true, than logic requires that the atheist does not
>> > > >>>>>> think. For what is there to think about unless you believe something?
>> > > >>>>>> Anyway I always treat posters as if they can understand what I am
>> > > >>>>>> saying,
>> > > >>>>>> and I will keep doing do, however hard those posters are trying not
>> > > >>>>>> to.
>> > > >>>>>> Love,
>> > > >>>>>> Peter van Velzen
>> > > >>>>>> July 2008
>> > > >>>>>> Amstelveen
>> > > >>>>>> The Netherlands
>> > > >>>>>> PS In order to make this post I had to believe:
>> > > >>>>>> I exist
>> > > >>>>>> You exist
>> > > >>>>>> rbwinn exists
>> > > >>>>>> My computer exists
>> > > >>>>>> Google exists
>> > > >>>>>> (my provider doesn't provide Newsgroup access)
>> > > >>>>>> sci.physics,cam.mist,alt.sci.physics or alt.atheism exists
>> > > >>>>>> English exists
>> > > >>>>>> The english words mean what I think they mean
>> > > >>>>>> Others can understand the English I produce.
>> > > >>>>>> Someone who doesn't believe all of this (except maybe for Google and
>> > > >>>>>> rbwinn)
>> > > >>>>>> cannot sensibly reply to your post.- Hide quoted text -
>> > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>> > > >>>>> Europeans are very existential.
>> > > >>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>> > > >>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>> > > >>>> Somehow Robert, I do not think my philosophy is existentialism. I
>> > > >>>> think it rather borders on pragmatism. Discussions become rather
>> > > >>>> meaningsless, unless one accepts there is a ground for it. So in order
>> > > >>>> to exchange thought with you, I have to suppose that to be possible.
>> > > >>>> My main premise is that you are an intelligent human being, able to
>> > > >>>> understand what I am saying and able to make me understand what you
>> > > >>>> are thinking.
>> > > >>>> Besides discussions becoming worthless if this were not the case, I
>> > > >>>> think it's a mater of courtesy also.
>> > > >>>> Some peopleon usenet are very quick to dismiss others as inferior. I
>> > > >>>> admit some people have superior knowledge and/or superior
>> > > >>>> understanding. But communication works best if we try and find a way
>> > > >>>> to exchange ideas without making arrogant assumptions.
>> > > >>>> Even if someone says something that seems utterly stupid, one should
>> > > >>>> try an find out their reason for saying it. Many times we find out
>> > > >>>> that there is less stupidity in the person than in his/her words.
>> > > >>>> Love,
>> > > >>> Well, I have never met an atheist who wanted to communicate. �What is
>> > > >>> it that you want to communicate?
>> > > >>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>> > > >>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>> > > >> To my amazement, my previous reply dissappeared.
>> > > >> So I will try to repost what I said then
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>> > > >> Generally I want to communicate to people, that I care about them.
>> > > >> To you in particular I want to say that eveyone who calls himself an
>> > > >> atheist, does at least want to communnicate that he is one.
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>> > > >> If you get the impression that atheists do not want to communicate,
>> > > >> that might be because of the negative way you are approaching them. A
>> > > >> liittle more open-mindedness might be sufficient for getting more
>> > > >> friendly replies.
>> > > >> As far as I can see, you are shouting out misconceptions about
>> > > >> atheists, that lead many of them to claim you are stupid.
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>> > > >> I do not think you are stupid, but I do think you knowledge about
>> > > >> atheism is very poor.
>> > > >> That is what I want to say to you
>> > > >> (apart from the general fact that I care)
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>> > > >> Peter van Velzen
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>> > > > Well, there may be an atheist somewhere who is actually trying to be a
>> > > > good person just as there may be an honest lawyer somewhere, but these
>> > > > people in this newsgroup are not examples of that. � These are people
>> > > > who regard themselves as being more intelligent than others because
>> > > > they have rejected religion.
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>> > > Nope, no one thinks that. �They're just more intelligent than you.
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>> > Well, the correct definition of intelligence is the capacity to obey
>> > God. �That would seem to mean that you folks are a little bit lacking.
>> > Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
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>> > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
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>> Sorry Robert, but I have to tell you that this - what you have just
>> said here - is exactly the reason why most atheists assume you are
>> stupid. If you would try and imagine their point of view, you would
>> understand.
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>> Imagine somebody would tell you that being intelligent would mean
>> obeying the tooth-fairy. Wouldn't you laugh in their face?
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>> Of course saying that I should do the same thing, and imagine your
>> point of view.
>> What if an allmighty god would exist? Would it be wise to obey him?
>> Of course that would mean knowing Gods wishes in sofar as my conduct
>> is concerned.
>> And that would pose a problem as such.
>> Many faiths, churches and sects claim to know God's wishes, but I
>> wouldn't know which one to believe. Would you.
>>
>> I would imagine the best try is to follow the advice of Jesus.
>> He said that loving god with all your resources is equal to loving
>> your fellow men as much as you love yourself.
>> Now even if he was wrong, and even if there is no God, that would
>> still be beneficial to our fellow men wouldn't it?
>>
>> That's why I would advice you and any Christian who converses with
>> atheists, to restrain themselves to loving those atheists like you
>> love yourselve, and show it!
>>
>> They might love you back, and might stop assuming you are stupid.
>>
>Atheists do not appear to me to have love for anything except money.

Apparently you think Romney is an atheist?

>I am fairly certain they would not love me even if I tried to conform
>to their demands.

What we don't love are your lies and your hatred of others, your
intolerance and mockery of those who don't believe your false claims.