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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 19, 8:49 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 19, 8:15 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 18, 11:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 8:22 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> BuddyThunder wrote:
>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 3:58 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:49 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:45 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:27 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:39 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:21 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 7:49 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 12:10 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:00 am, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 4:03 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 8:43�pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:40 am, ben_dolan_...@reet.com (Ben Dolan)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2:54 pm, ben_dolan_...@reet.com (Ben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dolan) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your analysis, Peter. �I was merely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expanding on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statement from an atheist to show where it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leading: �Atheists do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not believe anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's not true, we believe you're a fuckin'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moron... We even have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to take that as an article of faith. �The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compelling. �We do have evidence that he's a liar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> �So he could be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acting incredibly stupid, or more likely be stupid,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's impossible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell. �But the evidence for lies is overwhelming.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we believe he's as stupid as dog shit. �But we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have evidence, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thus no need of faith, that he's a liar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand your point, but I believe we have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overwhelming evidence of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both. Bobby is a classic newsgroup troll who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desparately craves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention. Lying is an excellent way to get attention,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> although it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normally means suffering considerable ridicule and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insult in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I also believe he's rather unintelligent (as most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> newsgroup trolls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tend to be). He has shown a remarkable inability to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absorb and integrate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new information presented to him. There's no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indication he reads
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything outside of the few newsgroups he spends
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> countless hours posting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in. And he has shown a breathtaking lack of self
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> awareness and maturity,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether about his ridiculous physics kookiness or his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> puerile religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense. Taken together these point to someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffering from mental
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illness combined with a serious cognitive impairment,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or as I prefer to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think of it, he's a fuckin' moron...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I'll agree it's a good summary.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Profanity is the attempt of a weak mind to make a strong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statement,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al.  You are agreeing with someone who has a weak mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree or disagree with propositions.  Not people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And your statements are wrong.  Profanity can be used by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weak minds to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to make a strong statement.  Just because someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uses profane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> language, does not mean they have a "weak mind".  And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what do you mean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by "weak mind"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A weak mind is one that cannot deal with reality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EG: Christians.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some Christians do use profanity, but the biggest promoters of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profanity are atheists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet the minds that demonstrably don't deal with reality are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christians.  Please do keep up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists are the people who are trying to make the Bible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disappear.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep.  You've just demonstrated that you aren't dealing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists are not trying to make the Bible disappear.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I think thy are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your thoughts have no bearing on reality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  That is one reason why they are so intrigued
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by Harry Potter books.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Um, no.  You still aren't getting it, are you?  Harry Potter is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convenient fiction story that is set on modern day Earth.  We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just as easily used ANY OTHER fiction story that is set on modern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day Earth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ******************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *          DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226            *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, that is not going to happen when Harry Potter books were the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> books that outsold the Bible for a short time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Um, no.  That's not the reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could've easily used Fantastic Voyage, which was set in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington DC.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   It even mentioned some buildings there.  Therefore,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> miniaturization is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> real.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you just take some time and decide for yourself?
>>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you address the point rather than simply issuing glib
>>>>>>>>>>> responses like the one above?- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>>>>>> There is no point that I can see.  He is claiming that these four
>>>>>>>>>> books prove the Bible wrong in some way.
>>>>>>>>> No, he's not saying that they prove it false, he's saying your example
>>>>>>>>> of the tunnel offers no support for it. That's his point.
>>>>>>>> I think Winn knows this.  I think he's purposefully being evasive in
>>>>>>>> order to not address the serious issues with his claims.
>>>>>>>> I could be wrong, though.  He could really be that stupid.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Well, make up your minds.  The tunnel either exists or it does not
>>>>>>> exist.  
>>>>>> It exists.
>>>>>>> If it exists, it is exactly where three books of the Old
>>>>>>> Testament said it was.
>>>>>> So?
>>>>>>> If it does not exist, then Jerusalem tour
>>>>>>> guides are taking tourists on tours through solid rock.  So decide for
>>>>>>> yourselves whether it exists.   I said from the beginning that the
>>>>>>> tunnel does exist.
>>>>>> As have atheists.  Try READING what we type.
>>>>>> --
>>>>> I do read what you type.  If you are going to say the tunnel exists in
>>>>> one post, then you need to leave it that way instead of pretending it
>>>>> does not exist the next time you post.  I can keep explaining to you
>>>>> that it does exist as long as you want me to.
>>>> Who is saying that it does not exist?  Please provide the exact quote
>>>> that led you to believe that we're saying that.
>>>> --
>>> Any time you atheist make a statement that implies that Hezekiah's
>>> tunnel does not prove certain verses of the Old Testament correct, I
>>> am going to say that the tunnel does exist.  That way we can stay on
>>> topic for a longer time than atheists are used to staying on topic.
>> I see. So, you're lying when you say that atheists are saying that it
>> doesn't exist.
>>
>> Isn't there a commandment that you're breaking here?
>>
>> And which atheist is saying that those verses that reference the tunnel
>> itself in the Old Testament are incorrect?  Please provide the exact quote.
>>
>> (...not holding my breath.)
>>
>> --
> What atheists keep saying is that the books of the Old Testament which
> make reference to Hezekiah's tunnel are fictional stories about a
> tunnel which was known to exist.

Yes.  Now work it out.  Fictional stories can reference actual events, 
structures, or people.

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*          DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226            *
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* "I distrust those people who know so well what God *
*  wants them to do because I notice it always       *
*  coincides with their own desires."                *
*                                 --Susan B. Anthony *
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