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Article #12319Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: Smiler
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:46
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:46
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 17, 1:08 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jul 15, 6:39?am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? ?This would be a first
> >>>>>>> for an
> >>>>>>> atheist. ?All other atheists tell me that they do not have sins
> >>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin.
> >>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is
> >>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms.
> >>>>> Right. ?Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 12
> >>>>> million people.
> >>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and will
> >>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog).
> >>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the
> >>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross.
> >>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), who
> >>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country
> >>>> that
> >>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes.
> >>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or that
> >>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many counter-examples
> >>>> in
> >>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw is
> >>>> that
> >>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be drawn to
> >>>> or
> >>>> away from religion.
> >>>> TLA
> >>> So was this John Towland an atheist?
> >> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog of
> >> Hitler.
>
> >>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular
> >>> with the German people. His actions in his life show that he did not
> >>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of today.
> >> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia who
> >> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because they've
> >> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge, and
> >> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in this
> >> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably more.
> >> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to recalibrate
> >> your humanity.
>
> >> TLA- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Well, I don't really see much evidence of it. Stalin and Pol Pot were
> > both atheists. But politicians who killed large numbers of people
> > cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which
> > was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions.
>
> Your vitriol against atheists is kinda cute in a psycho sort of way.
> Where do I sign up for the genocides? I need to do my atheistic duty. Is
> it the same place Mormons get their brains removed?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
All you have to do is vote for your pro-abortion politicians.
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There aren't any pro-abortion politicians.
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
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