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Article #12327Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:59
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:59
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On Jul 18, 5:46�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 17, 1:08 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
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> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> > >> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>> On Jul 15, 6:39?am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> > >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? ?This would be a first
> > >>>>>>> for an
> > >>>>>>> atheist. ?All other atheists tell me that they do not have sins
> > >>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin.
> > >>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is
> > >>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms.
> > >>>>> Right. ?Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 12
> > >>>>> million people.
> > >>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and will
> > >>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog).
> > >>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the
> > >>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross.
> > >>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), who
> > >>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country
> > >>>> that
> > >>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes.
> > >>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or that
> > >>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many counter-examples
> > >>>> in
> > >>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw is
> > >>>> that
> > >>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be drawn to
> > >>>> or
> > >>>> away from religion.
> > >>>> TLA
> > >>> So was this John Towland an atheist?
> > >> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog of
> > >> Hitler.
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> > >>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular
> > >>> with the German people. His actions in his life show that he did not
> > >>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of today.
> > >> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia who
> > >> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because they've
> > >> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge, and
> > >> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in this
> > >> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably more.
> > >> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to recalibrate
> > >> your humanity.
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> > >> TLA- Hide quoted text -
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> > > Well, I don't really see much evidence of it. Stalin and Pol Pot were
> > > both atheists. But politicians who killed large numbers of people
> > > cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which
> > > was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions.
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> > Your vitriol against atheists is kinda cute in a psycho sort of way.
> > Where do I sign up for the genocides? I need to do my atheistic duty. Is
> > it the same place Mormons get their brains removed?- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
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> All you have to do is vote for your pro-abortion politicians.
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> There aren't any pro-abortion politicians.
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> Smiler,
> The godless one
> a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text -
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There aren't? What happened to them?
Robert B. Winn
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