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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 19, 8:13 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> wrote:
>> On 17 jul, 05:29, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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>>> On Jul 16, 1:31 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 16 jul, 16:23, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 15, 9:20 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 14 jul, 05:42, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 1:12 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 13 jul, 16:22, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 12:10 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 7:29�am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:21:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You atheists seem to have a lot of trouble with the meanings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words. ?There was another atheist who seemed to believe that adult and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adulterer meant the same thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which is an old joke that you obviously didn't get.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a very foolish mistake. �Although the two words look and sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar, they mean very different things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd explain the meaning of "a play on words", but it would be like
>>>>>>>>>>>> pouring water on a rock and expecting it to sink in...
>>>>>>>>>>> With atheists, it is not a play on words.  They really believe that
>>>>>>>>>>> adulterers are the most mature adults.
>>>>>>>>>> Atheists don't believe anything.
>>>>>>>>>> More lies from the Prince of Lies.
>>>>>>>>>> Its amazing how much ore of an atheist I want to be, listening to you.
>>>>>>>>> Well, there you have it.  Atheists don't believe anything, they don't
>>>>>>>>> do anything, and they don't think anything.  It does not sound very
>>>>>>>>> exciting to me, but maybe it does to an atheist.
>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>>>>>>>> Well. Atheist are not lying their butt off like you do.
>>>>>>>> Most of them believe in natural explanations,
>>>>>>>> most of them have a job,
>>>>>>>> and many of them are intelligent enough not to make as silly a claim
>>>>>>>> as to say someone else doesn't think anything.
>>>>>>>> Your statement would be truth though if it was made about dead people.
>>>>>>>> But if all dead people are atheists, what would that mean for heaven
>>>>>>>> and hell?
>>>>>>>> Think about it!
>>>>>>>> I am sure you have enough brains to understand,
>>>>>>>> I only doubt whether you will use them on this issue or perfer to keep
>>>>>>>> making silly statements
>>>>>>>> Peter van Velzen
>>>>>>>> July 2008
>>>>>>>> Amstelveen
>>>>>>>> The Netherlands
>>>>>>> That's where you are wrong, Peter.
>>>>>>> You think rbwinn got brain? OK, has a brain but without cells...
>>>>>>> But you do not know he has mental problem, which the scientists have
>>>>>>> not come up with any cure yet?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>>>>>> I always assume that a person with whom I can have some kind of
>>>>>> conversation, is more or less intelligent in the same way I am.
>>>>>> Though rbwinn sometimes posts like a moron, that does not nescesarily
>>>>>> mean he is one. He sort of acknowledged he was actually mocking
>>>>>> atheism, by pursuing the line "an atheist has no believe". And if that
>>>>>> would indeed be true, than logic requires that the atheist does not
>>>>>> think. For what is there to think about unless you believe something?
>>>>>> Anyway I always treat posters as if they can understand what I am
>>>>>> saying,
>>>>>> and I will keep doing do, however hard those posters are trying not
>>>>>> to.
>>>>>> Love,
>>>>>> Peter van Velzen
>>>>>> July 2008
>>>>>> Amstelveen
>>>>>> The Netherlands
>>>>>> PS In order to make this post I had to believe:
>>>>>> I exist
>>>>>> You exist
>>>>>> rbwinn exists
>>>>>> My computer exists
>>>>>> Google exists
>>>>>> (my provider doesn't provide Newsgroup access)
>>>>>> sci.physics,cam.mist,alt.sci.physics or alt.atheism exists
>>>>>> English exists
>>>>>> The english words mean what I think they mean
>>>>>> Others can understand the English I produce.
>>>>>> Someone who doesn't believe all of this (except maybe for Google and
>>>>>> rbwinn)
>>>>>> cannot sensibly reply to your post.- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>> Europeans are very existential.
>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>>>> Somehow Robert, I do not think my philosophy is existentialism. I
>>>> think it rather borders on pragmatism. Discussions become rather
>>>> meaningsless, unless one accepts there is a ground for it. So in order
>>>> to exchange thought with you, I have to suppose that to be possible.
>>>> My main premise is that you are an intelligent human being, able to
>>>> understand what I am saying and able to make me understand what you
>>>> are thinking.
>>>> Besides discussions becoming worthless if this were not the case, I
>>>> think it's a mater of courtesy also.
>>>> Some peopleon usenet are very quick to dismiss others as inferior. I
>>>> admit some people have superior knowledge and/or superior
>>>> understanding. But communication works best if we try and find a way
>>>> to exchange ideas without making arrogant assumptions.
>>>> Even if someone says something that seems utterly stupid, one should
>>>> try an find out their reason for saying it. Many times we find out
>>>> that there is less stupidity in the person than in his/her words.
>>>> Love,
>>> Well, I have never met an atheist who wanted to communicate.  What is
>>> it that you want to communicate?
>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>> To my amazement, my previous reply dissappeared.
>> So I will try to repost what I said then
>>
>> Generally I want to communicate to people, that I care about them.
>> To you in particular I want to say that eveyone who calls himself an
>> atheist, does at least want to communnicate that he is one.
>>
>> If you get the impression that atheists do not want to communicate,
>> that might be because of the negative way you are approaching them. A
>> liittle more open-mindedness might be sufficient for getting more
>> friendly replies.
>> As far as I can see, you are shouting out misconceptions about
>> atheists, that lead many of them to claim you are stupid.
>>
>> I do not think you are stupid, but I do think you knowledge about
>> atheism is very poor.
>> That is what I want to say to you
>> (apart from the general fact that I care)
>>
>> Peter van Velzen
> 
> Well, there may be an atheist somewhere who is actually trying to be a
> good person just as there may be an honest lawyer somewhere, but these
> people in this newsgroup are not examples of that.   These are people
> who regard themselves as being more intelligent than others because
> they have rejected religion.

Nope, no one thinks that.  They're just more intelligent than you.


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