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On Jul 19, 8:43 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 19, 8:13 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> > wrote:
> >> On 17 jul, 05:29, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Jul 16, 1:31 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On 16 jul, 16:23, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 15, 9:20 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 14 jul, 05:42, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 1:12 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 13 jul, 16:22, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 12:10 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 7:29�am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:21:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You atheists seem to have a lot of trouble with the meanings of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words. ?There was another atheist who seemed to believe that adult and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adulterer meant the same thing.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which is an old joke that you obviously didn't get.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a very foolish mistake. �Although the two words look and sound
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> similar, they mean very different things.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'd explain the meaning of "a play on words", but it would be like
> >>>>>>>>>>>> pouring water on a rock and expecting it to sink in...
> >>>>>>>>>>> With atheists, it is not a play on words.  They really believe that
> >>>>>>>>>>> adulterers are the most mature adults.
> >>>>>>>>>> Atheists don't believe anything.
> >>>>>>>>>> More lies from the Prince of Lies.
> >>>>>>>>>> Its amazing how much ore of an atheist I want to be, listening to you.
> >>>>>>>>> Well, there you have it.  Atheists don't believe anything, they don't
> >>>>>>>>> do anything, and they don't think anything.  It does not sound very
> >>>>>>>>> exciting to me, but maybe it does to an atheist.
> >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
> >>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
> >>>>>>>> Well. Atheist are not lying their butt off like you do.
> >>>>>>>> Most of them believe in natural explanations,
> >>>>>>>> most of them have a job,
> >>>>>>>> and many of them are intelligent enough not to make as silly a claim
> >>>>>>>> as to say someone else doesn't think anything.
> >>>>>>>> Your statement would be truth though if it was made about dead people.
> >>>>>>>> But if all dead people are atheists, what would that mean for heaven
> >>>>>>>> and hell?
> >>>>>>>> Think about it!
> >>>>>>>> I am sure you have enough brains to understand,
> >>>>>>>> I only doubt whether you will use them on this issue or perfer to keep
> >>>>>>>> making silly statements
> >>>>>>>> Peter van Velzen
> >>>>>>>> July 2008
> >>>>>>>> Amstelveen
> >>>>>>>> The Netherlands
> >>>>>>> That's where you are wrong, Peter.
> >>>>>>> You think rbwinn got brain? OK, has a brain but without cells...
> >>>>>>> But you do not know he has mental problem, which the scientists have
> >>>>>>> not come up with any cure yet?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
> >>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
> >>>>>> I always assume that a person with whom I can have some kind of
> >>>>>> conversation, is more or less intelligent in the same way I am.
> >>>>>> Though rbwinn sometimes posts like a moron, that does not nescesarily
> >>>>>> mean he is one. He sort of acknowledged he was actually mocking
> >>>>>> atheism, by pursuing the line "an atheist has no believe". And if that
> >>>>>> would indeed be true, than logic requires that the atheist does not
> >>>>>> think. For what is there to think about unless you believe something?
> >>>>>> Anyway I always treat posters as if they can understand what I am
> >>>>>> saying,
> >>>>>> and I will keep doing do, however hard those posters are trying not
> >>>>>> to.
> >>>>>> Love,
> >>>>>> Peter van Velzen
> >>>>>> July 2008
> >>>>>> Amstelveen
> >>>>>> The Netherlands
> >>>>>> PS In order to make this post I had to believe:
> >>>>>> I exist
> >>>>>> You exist
> >>>>>> rbwinn exists
> >>>>>> My computer exists
> >>>>>> Google exists
> >>>>>> (my provider doesn't provide Newsgroup access)
> >>>>>> sci.physics,cam.mist,alt.sci.physics or alt.atheism exists
> >>>>>> English exists
> >>>>>> The english words mean what I think they mean
> >>>>>> Others can understand the English I produce.
> >>>>>> Someone who doesn't believe all of this (except maybe for Google and
> >>>>>> rbwinn)
> >>>>>> cannot sensibly reply to your post.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>> Europeans are very existential.
> >>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
> >>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
> >>>> Somehow Robert, I do not think my philosophy is existentialism. I
> >>>> think it rather borders on pragmatism. Discussions become rather
> >>>> meaningsless, unless one accepts there is a ground for it. So in order
> >>>> to exchange thought with you, I have to suppose that to be possible.
> >>>> My main premise is that you are an intelligent human being, able to
> >>>> understand what I am saying and able to make me understand what you
> >>>> are thinking.
> >>>> Besides discussions becoming worthless if this were not the case, I
> >>>> think it's a mater of courtesy also.
> >>>> Some peopleon usenet are very quick to dismiss others as inferior. I
> >>>> admit some people have superior knowledge and/or superior
> >>>> understanding. But communication works best if we try and find a way
> >>>> to exchange ideas without making arrogant assumptions.
> >>>> Even if someone says something that seems utterly stupid, one should
> >>>> try an find out their reason for saying it. Many times we find out
> >>>> that there is less stupidity in the person than in his/her words.
> >>>> Love,
> >>> Well, I have never met an atheist who wanted to communicate.  What is
> >>> it that you want to communicate?
> >>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
> >>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
> >> To my amazement, my previous reply dissappeared.
> >> So I will try to repost what I said then
>
> >> Generally I want to communicate to people, that I care about them.
> >> To you in particular I want to say that eveyone who calls himself an
> >> atheist, does at least want to communnicate that he is one.
>
> >> If you get the impression that atheists do not want to communicate,
> >> that might be because of the negative way you are approaching them. A
> >> liittle more open-mindedness might be sufficient for getting more
> >> friendly replies.
> >> As far as I can see, you are shouting out misconceptions about
> >> atheists, that lead many of them to claim you are stupid.
>
> >> I do not think you are stupid, but I do think you knowledge about
> >> atheism is very poor.
> >> That is what I want to say to you
> >> (apart from the general fact that I care)
>
> >> Peter van Velzen
>
> > Well, there may be an atheist somewhere who is actually trying to be a
> > good person just as there may be an honest lawyer somewhere, but these
> > people in this newsgroup are not examples of that.   These are people
> > who regard themselves as being more intelligent than others because
> > they have rejected religion.
>
> Nope, no one thinks that.  They're just more intelligent than you.
>
Well, the correct definition of intelligence is the capacity to obey
God.  That would seem to mean that you folks are a little bit lacking.
Robert B. Winn