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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
> news:9445436b-52c9-44e7-8b37-1a8008c43c98@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 18, 5:32 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:42 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 6:39?am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? ?This would be a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> first for an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheist. ?All other atheists tell me that they do not have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sins
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is
>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms.
>>>>>>>>>>> Right. ?Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 
>>>>>>>>>>> 12
>>>>>>>>>>> million people.
>>>>>>>>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and 
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog).
>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the
>>>>>>>>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross.
>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), 
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country 
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes.
>>>>>>>>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or 
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many 
>>>>>>>>>> counter-examples in
>>>>>>>>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw 
>>>>>>>>>> is that
>>>>>>>>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be 
>>>>>>>>>> drawn to or
>>>>>>>>>> away from religion.
>>>>>>>>>> TLA
>>>>>>>>> So was this John Towland an atheist?
>>>>>>>> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog 
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> Hitler.
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular
>>>>>>>>> with the German people. His actions in his life show that he did 
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of 
>>>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>>> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia 
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because 
>>>>>>>> they've
>>>>>>>> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge, 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in 
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably 
>>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>>> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to 
>>>>>>>> recalibrate
>>>>>>>> your humanity.
>>>>>>>> TLA- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>> Well, I don't really see much evidence of it. Stalin and Pol Pot 
>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>> both atheists.
>>>>>> They were also both men. So what?
>>>>>>> But politicians who killed large numbers of people
>>>>>>> cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which
>>>>>>> was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions.
>>>>>> Number of abortions in United States since George W. Bush's
>>>>>> inauguration: Approximately 9 million
>>>>>> George W. Bush's religious affiliation: Christian
>>>>>> What were you saying again?
>>>>>> --
>>>>> George W. Bush is completely irrelevant, as the next President of the
>>>>> United States will be. All major decisions are made by the atheistic
>>>>> Supreme Court, which at the present time holds the position of
>>>>> Judicial dictatorship in the United States.
>>>> Religious affiliations of Supreme Court Justices:
>>>> Roberts: Roman Catholic
>>>> Stevens: Protestant
>>>> Scalia: Roman Catholic
>>>> Kennedy: Roman Catholic
>>>> Souter: Episcopalian
>>>> Thomas: Roman Catholic
>>>> Breyer: Jewish
>>>> Alito: Roman Catholic
>>>> Ginsburg: Jewish
>>>> The Supreme Court follows the Constitution of the United States of
>>>> America, the federal law of the land.
>>>> What were you saying again?
>>>> --
>>> During my lifetime the Supreme Court has not made even one decision
>>> that did not promote atheism. It does not matter if they all claim to
>>> be religious. Actions speak louder than words.
>> Perhaps you can name me one decision that "promoted atheism".

<piggybacking here to respond to Winn>

> Roe v. Wade

BZZT!  Roe v. Wade did not promote atheism.  Try again.


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