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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 19, 10:11�pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>> news:9445436b-52c9-44e7-8b37-1a8008c43c98@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jul 18, 5:32 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:42 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 6:39?am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? ?This would be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first for an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheist. ?All other atheists tell me that they do not have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. ?Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 12
>>>>>>>>>>>>> million people.
>>>>>>>>>>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog).
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the
>>>>>>>>>>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father),
>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes.
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many
>>>>>>>>>>>> counter-examples in
>>>>>>>>>>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw
>>>>>>>>>>>> is that
>>>>>>>>>>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be
>>>>>>>>>>>> drawn to or
>>>>>>>>>>>> away from religion.
>>>>>>>>>>>> TLA
>>>>>>>>>>> So was this John Towland an atheist?
>>>>>>>>>> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> Hitler.
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular
>>>>>>>>>>> with the German people. His actions in his life show that he did
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of
>>>>>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>>>>> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because
>>>>>>>>>> they've
>>>>>>>>>> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably
>>>>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>>>>> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to
>>>>>>>>>> recalibrate
>>>>>>>>>> your humanity.
>>>>>>>>>> TLA- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>> Well, I don't really see much evidence of it. Stalin and Pol Pot
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> both atheists.
>>>>>>>> They were also both men. So what?
>>>>>>>>> But politicians who killed large numbers of people
>>>>>>>>> cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which
>>>>>>>>> was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions.
>>>>>>>> Number of abortions in United States since George W. Bush's
>>>>>>>> inauguration: Approximately 9 million
>>>>>>>> George W. Bush's religious affiliation: Christian
>>>>>>>> What were you saying again?
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> George W. Bush is completely irrelevant, as the next President of the
>>>>>>> United States will be. All major decisions are made by the atheistic
>>>>>>> Supreme Court, which at the present time holds the position of
>>>>>>> Judicial dictatorship in the United States.
>>>>>> Religious affiliations of Supreme Court Justices:
>>>>>> Roberts: Roman Catholic
>>>>>> Stevens: Protestant
>>>>>> Scalia: Roman Catholic
>>>>>> Kennedy: Roman Catholic
>>>>>> Souter: Episcopalian
>>>>>> Thomas: Roman Catholic
>>>>>> Breyer: Jewish
>>>>>> Alito: Roman Catholic
>>>>>> Ginsburg: Jewish
>>>>>> The Supreme Court follows the Constitution of the United States of
>>>>>> America, the federal law of the land.
>>>>>> What were you saying again?
>>>>>> --
>>>>> During my lifetime the Supreme Court has not made even one decision
>>>>> that did not promote atheism. It does not matter if they all claim to
>>>>> be religious. Actions speak louder than words.
>>>> Perhaps you can name me one decision that "promoted atheism".
>> <piggybacking here to respond to Winn>
>>
>>> Roe v. Wade
>> BZZT! �Roe v. Wade did not promote atheism. �Try again.
>>
> Roe v. Wade accomplished one of the primary goals of atheism, 

BZZT!  There are no goals of atheism.  Try again.

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