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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#12459
From: BuddyThunder
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:25
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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 19, 7:14 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 18, 8:09 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 18, 2:40 am, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 17, 10:23 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:43 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:36 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 11:16 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 11:50 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 7:13 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:39 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 3:26 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 11:59 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 12:01�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Linda Fox" <linda...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:8vih74pvkgdkcmula0art55aogmd3pvne1@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:20:29 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A two year old is learning to lie or tell the truth. �If a two year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old sees its parents lie all the time, then the two year old is going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do the same thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ho-kayyyy - tell us please, because we'd love to know, how a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two-year-old can tell its parents are lying when it does not know the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth itself. Unless it's by watching the nose grow longer and longer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linda ff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This man obviously has no children.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He has absolutely no idea what a two year old can or can't do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look, Bobby, he's two.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He has no fucking clue what an atheist or a theist is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He's under my feet right now, pushing toy cars around the floor and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouting, "Beep Beep"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He doesn't even know what a lie is, so how can you expect him to recognize
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He does not even care.  All he is doing is what he sees you doing.  If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he finds lying to be more effective in getting what he wants, he is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well lets hope he nenver gets involved in religion then, so he wont need to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How are you going to shield him from the Lorentz equations?  If he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes to school there are books everywhere explaining the miracle of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> length contraction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What miracle?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If he is smart enough, he wont need to have it explained, he will work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it out for himself: if he isn't smart enough, he will simply ignore it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as irrelevant to his life.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What he will never get, is someone telling him its the Truth, and if he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't believe it, he will go to hell for eternity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scientists say that the Lorentz equations show that an object in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motion contracts in length relative to a frame of reference at rest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until at the speed of light, the object has a length of zero.  So you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are bringing up your son in a religion called atheism that has one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miracle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether it is many miracles or only one, a miracle is a miracle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What makes you think Lorentz equations are part of atheism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it the same delusion that has you repeatedly posting garbage into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alt.atheism?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most scientists of today are atheists.  I was discussing the Lorentz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equations with scientists in sci.physics.relativity when you atheists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> butted into the conversation in that newsgroup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most scientists today are atheists, yes.  But it's like saying most
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people with blonde hair have blue eyes.  The two things aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually related.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you keep lying about how you started this.  One fruitcake who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> claims to be both a scientist and a christian (but bizarely doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand rainbows) cross-posted originally and you waded in with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your lies and confusion into a topic that was already about proving
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this god thing.  And proceeded to lie about everyone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And now you keep using this myth you've invented about atheists
>>>>>>>>>>>>> posting into YOUR conversation about physics.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the two could be related. Not saying they are, I think that it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> likely though. Just my opinion.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>> I think they are related also.  Scientists and atheists have a
>>>>>>>>>>> religion that believes in one miracle, length contraction.
>>>>>>>>>> liar.
>>>>>>>>> Well, OK, Natural, show how the length contraction is not a miracle.
>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>> Define "miracle"
>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>> Miracles are manifestations of higher laws.
>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>> Define "manifestation" and "higher laws".
>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>> Al, why don't you just go to Merriam-Webster online and look them up
>>>>> for yourself?  If you do not understand words, just go to a
>>>>> dictionary.
>>>> Okay, had a look on dictionary.com. So do you think that your religion
>>>> puts you above the law?- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Above what law?
>> The law of the land.- Hide quoted text -
>>
> No, we are supposed to be the same way Jesus Christ was.  He submitted
> to civil authorities and let them crucify him.

Oh. That's the definition of "higher law" from the dictionary. Things 
you think are worth civil disobedience and lawlessness fighting for.
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