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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#12514
From: rbwinn
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:00
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On Jul 18, 2:46 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> > On Jul 17, 12:53 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >> > On Jul 16, 12:48 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >>> On Jul 15, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >>>>> On Jul 14, 8:27 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 5:12�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>>news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Potter has
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> in Harry
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Potter.
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true,
> >> >>>>>>>>>> the fact
> >> >>>>>>>>>> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since
> >> >>>>>>>>>> we have
> >> >>>>>>>>>> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction.
> >> >>>>>>>>>> By your reasoning at least.
> >> >>>>>>>>> Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it
> >> >>>>>>>>> is.
> >> >>>>>>>>> Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean.
> >> >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >> >>>>>>>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic.
> >> >>>>>>>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible
> >> >>>>>>>> Sheep exist today
> >> >>>>>>>> The bible is accurate and there is a God
> >> >>>>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>>>> Steve O
> >> >>>>>>> Well, no, Steve O. Here is an example. Atheists were claiming
> >> >>>>>>> that
> >> >>>>>>> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the
> >> >>>>>>> Bible. So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel? These atheists
> >> >>>>>>> had
> >> >>>>>>> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel. So after they looked it up,
> >> >>>>>>> they
> >> >>>>>>> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to
> >> >>>>>>> be
> >> >>>>>>> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London
> >> >>>>>>> to go
> >> >>>>>>> to wizard's school.
> >> >>>>>> The original assertion remains in force. Hezekiah's Tunnel does
> >> >>>>>> not
> >> >>>>>> prove anything.
> >> >>>>>>> I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in
> >> >>>>>>> the
> >> >>>>>>> Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's
> >> >>>>>>> tunnel. Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel
> >> >>>>>>> exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says
> >> >>>>>>> a
> >> >>>>>>> tunnel was dug as a conduit for water.
> >> >>>>>> For the same reason that King's Cross Station exists.
> >> >>>>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you?
> >> >>>>> There is nothing in the Book of 2 Chronicles about the construction
> >> >>>>> of
> >> >>>>> King's Cross Station.
> >> >>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you?
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>> Well, if you can provide a description of the construction of Kings
> >> >>> Cross station from the time it was built, maybe we could compare it
> >> >>> to
> >> >>> the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel.
> >> >> Totally irrelevant to the point. Just to remind you: people make stuff
> >> >> up about real places then write it down. Like in Harry Potter, like in
> >> >> the Bible. Why believe it just because it includes a real place?- Hide
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> >> > I don't believe it because it includes a real place. I believe it
> >> > because it is true.
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> >> Why have you been unable to demonstrate it's truth to us? We've been
> >> asking for confirming evidence, where is it?- Hide quoted text -
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> >> - Show quoted text -
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> > Well, for instance, I used the example of Hezekiah's tunnel which
> > proves the veracity of certain Old Testament verses which describe the
> > construction of the tunnel.  No, say atheists, we do not accept that
> > as evidence of anything.  This shows that atheists will say the same
> > thing with regard to any evidence.  If they will not accept something
> > that can be seen and even walked through, then it shows that their
> > minds are closed, their opinions are already dictated to them, and any
> > evidence shown to them will receive the same reaction.
> > Robert B. Winn
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> What are you talking about?
> We accepted your evidence that a tunnel exists.
> We accepted your evidence that there is a tunnel mentioned in the bible.
> How does that make us close minded?
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> --
> Steve O

Well, your answer is a little different from answers given by other
atheists.  Other atheists have always mentioned Harry Potter in their
answers.
Robert B. Winn
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From: rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com>
Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:00:10 -0700 (PDT)
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