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Article #12514Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:00
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:00
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On Jul 18, 2:46 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:f2b0bce9-bf0b-49e3-ba87-207059add46d@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Jul 17, 12:53 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Jul 16, 12:48 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>> On Jul 15, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>>>> On Jul 14, 8:27 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 5:12�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > >> >>>>>>>>news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Potter has > >> >>>>>>>>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in Harry > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Potter. > >> >>>>>>>>>> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, > >> >>>>>>>>>> the fact > >> >>>>>>>>>> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since > >> >>>>>>>>>> we have > >> >>>>>>>>>> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction. > >> >>>>>>>>>> By your reasoning at least. > >> >>>>>>>>> Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it > >> >>>>>>>>> is. > >> >>>>>>>>> Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean. > >> >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >> >>>>>>>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic. > >> >>>>>>>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible > >> >>>>>>>> Sheep exist today > >> >>>>>>>> The bible is accurate and there is a God > >> >>>>>>>> -- > >> >>>>>>>> Steve O > >> >>>>>>> Well, no, Steve O. Here is an example. Atheists were claiming > >> >>>>>>> that > >> >>>>>>> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the > >> >>>>>>> Bible. So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel? These atheists > >> >>>>>>> had > >> >>>>>>> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel. So after they looked it up, > >> >>>>>>> they > >> >>>>>>> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to > >> >>>>>>> be > >> >>>>>>> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London > >> >>>>>>> to go > >> >>>>>>> to wizard's school. > >> >>>>>> The original assertion remains in force. Hezekiah's Tunnel does > >> >>>>>> not > >> >>>>>> prove anything. > >> >>>>>>> I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in > >> >>>>>>> the > >> >>>>>>> Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's > >> >>>>>>> tunnel. Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel > >> >>>>>>> exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says > >> >>>>>>> a > >> >>>>>>> tunnel was dug as a conduit for water. > >> >>>>>> For the same reason that King's Cross Station exists. > >> >>>>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you? > >> >>>>> There is nothing in the Book of 2 Chronicles about the construction > >> >>>>> of > >> >>>>> King's Cross Station. > >> >>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you? > >> >>>> -- > >> >>> Well, if you can provide a description of the construction of Kings > >> >>> Cross station from the time it was built, maybe we could compare it > >> >>> to > >> >>> the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel. > >> >> Totally irrelevant to the point. Just to remind you: people make stuff > >> >> up about real places then write it down. Like in Harry Potter, like in > >> >> the Bible. Why believe it just because it includes a real place?- Hide > > >> > I don't believe it because it includes a real place. I believe it > >> > because it is true. > > >> Why have you been unable to demonstrate it's truth to us? We've been > >> asking for confirming evidence, where is it?- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, for instance, I used the example of Hezekiah's tunnel which > > proves the veracity of certain Old Testament verses which describe the > > construction of the tunnel. No, say atheists, we do not accept that > > as evidence of anything. This shows that atheists will say the same > > thing with regard to any evidence. If they will not accept something > > that can be seen and even walked through, then it shows that their > > minds are closed, their opinions are already dictated to them, and any > > evidence shown to them will receive the same reaction. > > Robert B. Winn > > What are you talking about? > We accepted your evidence that a tunnel exists. > We accepted your evidence that there is a tunnel mentioned in the bible. > How does that make us close minded? > > -- > Steve O Well, your answer is a little different from answers given by other atheists. Other atheists have always mentioned Harry Potter in their answers. Robert B. Winn
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