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On Jul 19, 2:22 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
wrote:
> On 17 jul, 05:29, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 16, 1:31 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> > wrote:
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> > > On 16 jul, 16:23, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Jul 15, 9:20 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> > > > wrote:
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> > > > > On 14 jul, 05:42, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > > > > > On Jul 14, 1:12 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> > > > > > wrote:
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> > > > > > > On 13 jul, 16:22, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 12:10 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 7:29�am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:21:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
> > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > >>>>> You atheists seem to have a lot of trouble with the meanings of
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> words. ?There was another atheist who seemed to believe that adult and
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> adulterer meant the same thing.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Robert B. Winn
> > > > > > > > > >>>> ...which is an old joke that you obviously didn't get.
> > > > > > > > > >>> It is a very foolish mistake. �Although the two words look and sound
> > > > > > > > > >>> similar, they mean very different things.
> > > > > > > > > >>> Robert B. Winn
> > > > > > > > > >> I'd explain the meaning of "a play on words", but it would be like
> > > > > > > > > >> pouring water on a rock and expecting it to sink in...
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> > > > > > > > > > With atheists, it is not a play on words.  They really believe that
> > > > > > > > > > adulterers are the most mature adults.
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> > > > > > > > > Atheists don't believe anything.
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> > > > > > > > > More lies from the Prince of Lies.
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> > > > > > > > > Its amazing how much ore of an atheist I want to be, listening to you.
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> > > > > > > > Well, there you have it.  Atheists don't believe anything, they don't
> > > > > > > > do anything, and they don't think anything.  It does not sound very
> > > > > > > > exciting to me, but maybe it does to an atheist.
> > > > > > > > Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
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> > > > > > > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
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> > > > > > > Well. Atheist are not lying their butt off like you do.
> > > > > > > Most of them believe in natural explanations,
> > > > > > > most of them have a job,
> > > > > > > and many of them are intelligent enough not to make as silly a claim
> > > > > > > as to say someone else doesn't think anything.
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> > > > > > > Your statement would be truth though if it was made about dead people.
> > > > > > > But if all dead people are atheists, what would that mean for heaven
> > > > > > > and hell?
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> > > > > > > Think about it!
> > > > > > > I am sure you have enough brains to understand,
> > > > > > > I only doubt whether you will use them on this issue or perfer to keep
> > > > > > > making silly statements
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> > > > > > > Peter van Velzen
> > > > > > > July 2008
> > > > > > > Amstelveen
> > > > > > > The Netherlands
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> > > > > > That's where you are wrong, Peter.
> > > > > > You think rbwinn got brain? OK, has a brain but without cells...
> > > > > > But you do not know he has mental problem, which the scientists have
> > > > > > not come up with any cure yet?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
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> > > > > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
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> > > > > I always assume that a person with whom I can have some kind of
> > > > > conversation, is more or less intelligent in the same way I am.
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> > > > > Though rbwinn sometimes posts like a moron, that does not nescesarily
> > > > > mean he is one. He sort of acknowledged he was actually mocking
> > > > > atheism, by pursuing the line "an atheist has no believe". And if that
> > > > > would indeed be true, than logic requires that the atheist does not
> > > > > think. For what is there to think about unless you believe something?
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> > > > > Anyway I always treat posters as if they can understand what I am
> > > > > saying,
> > > > > and I will keep doing do, however hard those posters are trying not
> > > > > to.
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> > > > > Love,
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> > > > > Peter van Velzen
> > > > > July 2008
> > > > > Amstelveen
> > > > > The Netherlands
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> > > > > PS In order to make this post I had to believe:
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> > > > > I exist
> > > > > You exist
> > > > > rbwinn exists
> > > > > My computer exists
> > > > > Google exists
> > > > > (my provider doesn't provide Newsgroup access)
> > > > > sci.physics,cam.mist,alt.sci.physics or alt.atheism exists
> > > > > English exists
> > > > > The english words mean what I think they mean
> > > > > Others can understand the English I produce.
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> > > > > Someone who doesn't believe all of this (except maybe for Google and
> > > > > rbwinn)
> > > > > cannot sensibly reply to your post.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > - Show quoted text -
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> > > > Europeans are very existential.
> > > > Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
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> > > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
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> > > Somehow Robert, I do not think my philosophy is existentialism. I
> > > think it rather borders on pragmatism. Discussions become rather
> > > meaningsless, unless one accepts there is a ground for it. So in order
> > > to exchange thought with you, I have to suppose that to be possible.
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> > > My main premise is that you are an intelligent human being, able to
> > > understand what I am saying and able to make me understand what you
> > > are thinking.
> > > Besides discussions becoming worthless if this were not the case, I
> > > think it's a mater of courtesy also.
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> > > Some peopleon usenet are very quick to dismiss others as inferior. I
> > > admit some people have superior knowledge and/or superior
> > > understanding. But communication works best if we try and find a way
> > > to exchange ideas without making arrogant assumptions.
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> > > Even if someone says something that seems utterly stupid, one should
> > > try an find out their reason for saying it. Many times we find out
> > > that there is less stupidity in the person than in his/her words.
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> > > Love,
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> > Well, I have never met an atheist who wanted to communicate.  What is
> > it that you want to communicate?
> > Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
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> > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
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> I general I want to tell people to be genuinly caring about each
> other.
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> I  particular I want to explain to you, that most atheists -being
> humas - want to communicate with other peope. On alt atheism they want
> to communicate with other atheists, or with people who want to now
> more about atheists.
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> If you never met an atheist who wanted to communicate, then I suppose
> you did not meat many atheists:-)
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> At the very least, people who call themselves atheists, want to
> commicate the fact that they are atheists. (why else call yourself an
> atheist?)
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> Your knowledge of atheists seems to be very limited. Nevertheless you
> are exchanging post with some. At first sight, it seems your way of
> posting makes them think you are not interested in atheism, only in
> theism. And for some reason, most atheist reaction to you seem to
> think you are stupid.
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> Personally - as I told you before - I do not make such judgements. If
> their is anything wrong with your posts, it is probably not stupidity,
> Stupidity can be addressed by education, I think however you are
> giving the impression, that you want to communicate in one direction
> only. That is you are saying something, but you do not seem to be
> listening.
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> The only way for remedying that, is not treat you in the same
> disrespectfull way - as most people seem to do - but trying to go into
> the things you are saying.
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> I hope I did that, and I hope you now realize that you just met - here
> on these Newsgroups - an atheist who want to communicate.
>
> Peter van Velzen
> Atheist#1107
> July 2008
> Amstelveen
> The Netherlands

Good intention will not necessarily bring in the desired result,
especially if one has a mental problem.
Even then, he has no educational standard to understand the true
meaning of a communication.