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On 17 jul, 05:29, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 1:31 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
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> > On 16 jul, 16:23, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jul 15, 9:20 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
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> > > > On 14 jul, 05:42, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > > > > On Jul 14, 1:12 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
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> > > > > > On 13 jul, 16:22, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > On Jul 13, 12:10 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 7:29�am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:21:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
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> > > > > > > > >>>>> You atheists seem to have a lot of trouble with the meanings of
> > > > > > > > >>>>> words. ?There was another atheist who seemed to believe that adult and
> > > > > > > > >>>>> adulterer meant the same thing.
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Robert B. Winn
> > > > > > > > >>>> ...which is an old joke that you obviously didn't get.
> > > > > > > > >>> It is a very foolish mistake. �Although the two words look and sound
> > > > > > > > >>> similar, they mean very different things.
> > > > > > > > >>> Robert B. Winn
> > > > > > > > >> I'd explain the meaning of "a play on words", but it would be like
> > > > > > > > >> pouring water on a rock and expecting it to sink in...
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> > > > > > > > > With atheists, it is not a play on words.  They really believe that
> > > > > > > > > adulterers are the most mature adults.
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> > > > > > > > Atheists don't believe anything.
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> > > > > > > > More lies from the Prince of Lies.
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> > > > > > > > Its amazing how much ore of an atheist I want to be, listening to you.
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> > > > > > > Well, there you have it.  Atheists don't believe anything, they don't
> > > > > > > do anything, and they don't think anything.  It does not sound very
> > > > > > > exciting to me, but maybe it does to an atheist.
> > > > > > > Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
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> > > > > > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
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> > > > > > Well. Atheist are not lying their butt off like you do.
> > > > > > Most of them believe in natural explanations,
> > > > > > most of them have a job,
> > > > > > and many of them are intelligent enough not to make as silly a claim
> > > > > > as to say someone else doesn't think anything.
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> > > > > > Your statement would be truth though if it was made about dead people.
> > > > > > But if all dead people are atheists, what would that mean for heaven
> > > > > > and hell?
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> > > > > > Think about it!
> > > > > > I am sure you have enough brains to understand,
> > > > > > I only doubt whether you will use them on this issue or perfer to keep
> > > > > > making silly statements
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> > > > > > Peter van Velzen
> > > > > > July 2008
> > > > > > Amstelveen
> > > > > > The Netherlands
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> > > > > That's where you are wrong, Peter.
> > > > > You think rbwinn got brain? OK, has a brain but without cells...
> > > > > But you do not know he has mental problem, which the scientists have
> > > > > not come up with any cure yet?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
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> > > > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
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> > > > I always assume that a person with whom I can have some kind of
> > > > conversation, is more or less intelligent in the same way I am.
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> > > > Though rbwinn sometimes posts like a moron, that does not nescesarily
> > > > mean he is one. He sort of acknowledged he was actually mocking
> > > > atheism, by pursuing the line "an atheist has no believe". And if that
> > > > would indeed be true, than logic requires that the atheist does not
> > > > think. For what is there to think about unless you believe something?
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> > > > Anyway I always treat posters as if they can understand what I am
> > > > saying,
> > > > and I will keep doing do, however hard those posters are trying not
> > > > to.
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> > > > Love,
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> > > > Peter van Velzen
> > > > July 2008
> > > > Amstelveen
> > > > The Netherlands
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> > > > PS In order to make this post I had to believe:
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> > > > I exist
> > > > You exist
> > > > rbwinn exists
> > > > My computer exists
> > > > Google exists
> > > > (my provider doesn't provide Newsgroup access)
> > > > sci.physics,cam.mist,alt.sci.physics or alt.atheism exists
> > > > English exists
> > > > The english words mean what I think they mean
> > > > Others can understand the English I produce.
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> > > > Someone who doesn't believe all of this (except maybe for Google and
> > > > rbwinn)
> > > > cannot sensibly reply to your post.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > Europeans are very existential.
> > > Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
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> > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
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> > Somehow Robert, I do not think my philosophy is existentialism. I
> > think it rather borders on pragmatism. Discussions become rather
> > meaningsless, unless one accepts there is a ground for it. So in order
> > to exchange thought with you, I have to suppose that to be possible.
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> > My main premise is that you are an intelligent human being, able to
> > understand what I am saying and able to make me understand what you
> > are thinking.
> > Besides discussions becoming worthless if this were not the case, I
> > think it's a mater of courtesy also.
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> > Some peopleon usenet are very quick to dismiss others as inferior. I
> > admit some people have superior knowledge and/or superior
> > understanding. But communication works best if we try and find a way
> > to exchange ideas without making arrogant assumptions.
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> > Even if someone says something that seems utterly stupid, one should
> > try an find out their reason for saying it. Many times we find out
> > that there is less stupidity in the person than in his/her words.
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> > Love,
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> Well, I have never met an atheist who wanted to communicate.  What is
> it that you want to communicate?
> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
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I general I want to tell people to be genuinly caring about each
other.

I  particular I want to explain to you, that most atheists -being
humas - want to communicate with other peope. On alt atheism they want
to communicate with other atheists, or with people who want to now
more about atheists.

If you never met an atheist who wanted to communicate, then I suppose
you did not meat many atheists:-)

At the very least, people who call themselves atheists, want to
commicate the fact that they are atheists. (why else call yourself an
atheist?)

Your knowledge of atheists seems to be very limited. Nevertheless you
are exchanging post with some. At first sight, it seems your way of
posting makes them think you are not interested in atheism, only in
theism. And for some reason, most atheist reaction to you seem to
think you are stupid.

Personally - as I told you before - I do not make such judgements. If
their is anything wrong with your posts, it is probably not stupidity,
Stupidity can be addressed by education, I think however you are
giving the impression, that you want to communicate in one direction
only. That is you are saying something, but you do not seem to be
listening.

The only way for remedying that, is not treat you in the same
disrespectfull way - as most people seem to do - but trying to go into
the things you are saying.

I hope I did that, and I hope you now realize that you just met - here
on these Newsgroups - an atheist who want to communicate.

Peter van Velzen
Atheist#1107
July 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands