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Article #12582Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:00
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:00
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On Jul 18, 12:33 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 17, 1:08 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 15, 6:39�am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? �This would be a first for an
> >>>>>>>>> atheist. �All other atheists tell me that they do not have sins
> >>>>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin.
> >>>>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is
> >>>>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms.
> >>>>>>> Right. �Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 12
> >>>>>>> million people.
> >>>>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and will
> >>>>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog).
> >>>>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the
> >>>>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross.
> >>>>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), who
> >>>>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country that
> >>>>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes.
> >>>>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or that
> >>>>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many counter-examples in
> >>>>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw is that
> >>>>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be drawn to or
> >>>>>> away from religion.
> >>>>>> TLA
> >>>>> So was this John Towland an atheist?
> >>>> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog of
> >>>> Hitler.
> >>>>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular
> >>>>> with the German people. His actions in his life show that he did not
> >>>>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of today.
> >>>> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia who
> >>>> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because they've
> >>>> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge, and
> >>>> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in this
> >>>> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably more.
> >>>> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to recalibrate
> >>>> your humanity.
> >>>> TLA- Hide quoted text -
> >>> Well, I don't really see much evidence of it. Stalin and Pol Pot were
> >>> both atheists. But politicians who killed large numbers of people
> >>> cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which
> >>> was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions.
> >> Your vitriol against atheists is kinda cute in a psycho sort of way.
> >> Where do I sign up for the genocides? I need to do my atheistic duty. Is
> >> it the same place Mormons get their brains removed?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > All you have to do is vote for your pro-abortion politicians. That
> > makes it pretty easy for homicidal people of today, doesn't it?
> > However, my observation is that the blood of unborn children is not
> > going to satisfy homicidal people forever. Eventually, they are going
> > to demand a more active role in homicide.
>
> Yeah, we'll start coming after the religious nuts! Woohoo!! *slaver*
> *drooooool*- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
The prophecy is that almost all people will be at war in the last
days.
Robert B. Winn
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