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On Jul 18, 12:15 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 17, 12:53 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jul 16, 12:48 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 15, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 8:27 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 5:12�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>>news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry Potter has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in Harry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Potter.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, the fact
> >>>>>>>>>>>> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since we have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> By your reasoning at least.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it is.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic.
> >>>>>>>>>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible
> >>>>>>>>>> Sheep exist today
> >>>>>>>>>> The bible is accurate and there is a God
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Steve O
> >>>>>>>>> Well, no, Steve O.  Here is an example.  Atheists were claiming that
> >>>>>>>>> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the
> >>>>>>>>> Bible.  So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel?  These atheists had
> >>>>>>>>> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel.  So after they looked it up, they
> >>>>>>>>> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to be
> >>>>>>>>> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London to go
> >>>>>>>>> to wizard's school.
> >>>>>>>> The original assertion remains in force.  Hezekiah's Tunnel does not
> >>>>>>>> prove anything.
> >>>>>>>>>    I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in the
> >>>>>>>>> Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's
> >>>>>>>>> tunnel.  Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel
> >>>>>>>>> exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says a
> >>>>>>>>> tunnel was dug as a conduit for water.
> >>>>>>>> For the same reason that King's Cross Station exists.
> >>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you?
> >>>>>>> There is nothing in the Book of 2 Chronicles about the construction of
> >>>>>>> King's Cross Station.
> >>>>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you?
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>> Well, if you can provide a description of the construction of Kings
> >>>>> Cross station from the time it was built, maybe we could compare it to
> >>>>> the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel.
> >>>> Totally irrelevant to the point. Just to remind you: people make stuff
> >>>> up about real places then write it down. Like in Harry Potter, like in
> >>>> the Bible. Why believe it just because it includes a real place?- Hide
> >>> I don't believe it because it includes a real place.  I believe it
> >>> because it is true.
> >> Why have you been unable to demonstrate it's truth to us? We've been
> >> asking for confirming evidence, where is it?- Hide quoted text -
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> > Well, for instance, I used the example of Hezekiah's tunnel which
> > proves the veracity of certain Old Testament verses which describe the
> > construction of the tunnel.  No, say atheists, we do not accept that
> > as evidence of anything.  This shows that atheists will say the same
> > thing with regard to any evidence.  If they will not accept something
> > that can be seen and even walked through, then it shows that their
> > minds are closed, their opinions are already dictated to them, and any
> > evidence shown to them will receive the same reaction.
>
> Well, it may well be the tunnel mentioned in the OT. Real people and
> places are written about in the Bible, alongside fantastical and
> fanciful supernatural claims. As an atheist, I'm entirely comfortable
> with that.
>
> I do believe SOME of the Bible.- Hide quoted text -
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Well, believing some of the Bible does not constitute faith in Jesus
Christ, which is the first principle of salvation.
Robert B. Winn