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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 17, 12:53 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 16, 12:48 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 15, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 8:27 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 5:12�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry Potter has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in Harry
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Potter.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, the fact
>>>>>>>>>>>> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since we have
>>>>>>>>>>>> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction.
>>>>>>>>>>>> By your reasoning at least.
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it is.
>>>>>>>>>>> Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean.
>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic.
>>>>>>>>>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible
>>>>>>>>>> Sheep exist today
>>>>>>>>>> The bible is accurate and there is a God
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>>>>>>>>> Well, no, Steve O.  Here is an example.  Atheists were claiming that
>>>>>>>>> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the
>>>>>>>>> Bible.  So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel?  These atheists had
>>>>>>>>> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel.  So after they looked it up, they
>>>>>>>>> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to be
>>>>>>>>> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London to go
>>>>>>>>> to wizard's school.
>>>>>>>> The original assertion remains in force.  Hezekiah's Tunnel does not
>>>>>>>> prove anything.
>>>>>>>>>    I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in the
>>>>>>>>> Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's
>>>>>>>>> tunnel.  Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel
>>>>>>>>> exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says a
>>>>>>>>> tunnel was dug as a conduit for water.
>>>>>>>> For the same reason that King's Cross Station exists.
>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you?
>>>>>>> There is nothing in the Book of 2 Chronicles about the construction of
>>>>>>> King's Cross Station.
>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you?
>>>>>> --
>>>>> Well, if you can provide a description of the construction of Kings
>>>>> Cross station from the time it was built, maybe we could compare it to
>>>>> the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel.
>>>> Totally irrelevant to the point. Just to remind you: people make stuff
>>>> up about real places then write it down. Like in Harry Potter, like in
>>>> the Bible. Why believe it just because it includes a real place?- Hide
>>> I don't believe it because it includes a real place.  I believe it
>>> because it is true.
>> Why have you been unable to demonstrate it's truth to us? We've been
>> asking for confirming evidence, where is it?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> Well, for instance, I used the example of Hezekiah's tunnel which
> proves the veracity of certain Old Testament verses which describe the
> construction of the tunnel.  No, say atheists, we do not accept that
> as evidence of anything.  This shows that atheists will say the same
> thing with regard to any evidence.  If they will not accept something
> that can be seen and even walked through, then it shows that their
> minds are closed, their opinions are already dictated to them, and any
> evidence shown to them will receive the same reaction.

Well, it may well be the tunnel mentioned in the OT. Real people and 
places are written about in the Bible, alongside fantastical and 
fanciful supernatural claims. As an atheist, I'm entirely comfortable 
with that.

I do believe SOME of the Bible.