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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: DanielSan
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:46
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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 17, 5:32 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 16, 8:55 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 16, 6:06 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 8:27 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 5:12�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry Potter has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in Harry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Potter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, the fact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since we have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By your reasoning at least.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheep exist today
>>>>>>>>>>>> The bible is accurate and there is a God
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, no, Steve O.  Here is an example.  Atheists were claiming that
>>>>>>>>>>> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the
>>>>>>>>>>> Bible.  So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel?  These atheists had
>>>>>>>>>>> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel.  So after they looked it up, they
>>>>>>>>>>> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to be
>>>>>>>>>>> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London to go
>>>>>>>>>>> to wizard's school.
>>>>>>>>>> The original assertion remains in force.  Hezekiah's Tunnel does not
>>>>>>>>>> prove anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>    I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in the
>>>>>>>>>>> Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's
>>>>>>>>>>> tunnel.  Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel
>>>>>>>>>>> exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says a
>>>>>>>>>>> tunnel was dug as a conduit for water.
>>>>>>>>>> For the same reason that King's Cross Station exists.
>>>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you?
>>>>>>>>> There is nothing in the Book of 2 Chronicles about the construction of
>>>>>>>>> King's Cross Station.
>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you?
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Well, if you can provide a description of the construction of Kings
>>>>>>> Cross station from the time it was built, maybe we could compare it to
>>>>>>> the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel.
>>>>>> ....I see.  So, since the Harry Potter books do not detail the
>>>>>> construction of King's Cross Station, it's not a correct analogy?
>>>>>> Okay, fine.  In one of the Harry Potter books, the head of the Ministry
>>>>>> of Magic visits the new Prime Minister of England and informs him of the
>>>>>> fight against the Dark Lord.
>>>>>> Since this Harry Potter book describes the Prime Minister of England at
>>>>>> the time that he got into office and, since it coincided with Tony Blair
>>>>>> getting into office, that means that Harry Potter is true?
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ******************************************************
>>>>>> *          DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226            *
>>>>> Well, if you want to believe in Harry Potter, I am sure you will find
>>>>> a way to do it.
>>>> No, see, that's what you're NOT getting.  I don't believe in Harry
>>>> Potter.  Harry Potter is fantasy.  It's not real.   And the events
>>>> therein have just as much evidence as the Bible has.
>>>> That is:  None.
>>> If atheists think something is fantasy, why is fantasy all they want
>>> to discuss?
>> You're the one that brought fantasy into the discussion.
>>
>> --
> Well, no, that is incorrect.  I was discussing the theory of
> relativity and Hezekiah's tunnel.  Atheists always try to change the
> subject to Harry Potter.

No.  You began discussing the Bible.

THAT is when you brought fantasy into the discussion.

-- 
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*          DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226            *
*----------------------------------------------------*
* "I distrust those people who know so well what God *
*  wants them to do because I notice it always       *
*  coincides with their own desires."                *
*                                 --Susan B. Anthony *
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