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On Jul 16, 3:35 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> > On Jul 15, 6:50 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >> > On Jul 14, 11:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >> >> DanielSan wrote:
> >> >>> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >>>> On Jul 14, 2:41 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >> >>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >>>>>> On Jul 13, 3:28 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 12:05 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 1:55 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> The Loan Arranger wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 3:52�am, The Loan Arranger
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <no...@nowhere.invalid>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that it could all be prophesied does not mean
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> �that God
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approved of it. �It just meant it was going to take
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean he was powerless to stop it? Wow! That must
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have chafed.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ could have stopped his crucifixion any time he
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> chose to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> do it.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Hey, guys - guys! Just kidding, honest, c'mon, let's get
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> these nails
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> out, shake hands, and ... uh, guys? Guys? HEY GUYS, CUT ME A
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> BREAK HERE!"
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> TLA
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> The concept of god is necessary to put a himan face on the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> reflection of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the mystrious Universe in men's minds, so that when they gaze
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> at it, and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> teh only bits they recognize as faintly familiar , are their
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> own
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> reflections, they don't get frightened to death.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is for those who have the courage to see it as it
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> really is..
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Religion is just the kiddy bedtime story copout.
> >> >>>>>>>>>> So why is it then that Old Testament prophets were put to
> >> >>>>>>>>>> death,
> >> >>>>>>>>>> John
> >> >>>>>>>>>> the Baptist was beheaded, Jesus was crucified, his apostles
> >> >>>>>>>>>> suffered
> >> >>>>>>>>>> martyrs' deaths, religious reformers were burned at the stake,
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Jews
> >> >>>>>>>>>> were put in extermination camps, Communist regimes killed most
> >> >>>>>>>>>> clergy,
> >> >>>>>>>>>> etc.?
> >> >>>>>>>>>> If religion is such a bedtime story, why do so many religious
> >> >>>>>>>>>> people
> >> >>>>>>>>>> get killed for their beliefs?
> >> >>>>>>>>> Probably because they are a bunch of hypocritical liars, like
> >> >>>>>>>>> you
> >> >>>>>>>>> are.
> >> >>>>>>>>> Plenty of people die rather than face the truth.
> >> >>>>>>>>> Anyway, since they are all on the way to a Better Life, they
> >> >>>>>>>>> shouldn't
> >> >>>>>>>>> complain if someone helps them along the way, should they?
> >> >>>>>>>>> Tell me, as a devout Christian (allegedly: `It's hard to
> >> >>>>>>>>> believe
> >> >>>>>>>>> anything you say) will death be something you avoid, or
> >> >>>>>>>>> something
> >> >>>>>>>>> that
> >> >>>>>>>>> is simply going to be the best thing that has ever happened to
> >> >>>>>>>>> you?
> >> >>>>>>>>> If teh latter, would you like a hand?
> >> >>>>>>>> Death is something that is going to happen. With regard to the
> >> >>>>>>>> hereafter, what happens there is bound to be better than what
> >> >>>>>>>> happened
> >> >>>>>>>> to me in this life.
> >> >>>>>>> I wouldn't bet on it: If you cant hack this life, you dont have
> >> >>>>>>> much
> >> >>>>>>> chance in hacking the hereafter. Perhaps the reason you cant hack
> >> >>>>>>> this
> >> >>>>>>> life is you spent it clinging to something that didn't work,
> >> >>>>>>> because you
> >> >>>>>>> hadn't the courage to throw away your crutches, and get up and
> >> >>>>>>> walk.
> >> >>>>>>> There's a bit about that in the bible as well. But you probably
> >> >>>>>>> didn't
> >> >>>>>>> understand that either.
> >> >>>>>> What makes you think I cannot hack this life?
> >> >>>>> Your statement abut how hard you found it.
> >> >>>>> I think you are suffereing from the early stages of dementia.
> >> >>>>> You are foregetting what you said again.
> >> >>>> Well, you try getting out of a mental institution some time. I think
> >> >>>> the reason I was able to do it was because I learned to talk to
> >> >>>> atheists. Whenever I would talk to psychiatrists, I would talk about
> >> >>>> medical malpractice.
> >> >>> Talking to atheists is something you're doing very poorly at.
> >> >> I'd be happy if he could just talk to people, without making
> >> >> blanketing,
> >> >> bigoted statements about whole groups of people. I suppose he
> >> >> genuinely
> >> >> believes all atheists and mental health practitioners to all be
> >> >> totally debased moral degenerates. Bad thinking.- Hide quoted text -
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> >> > I am doing very well at talking to atheists. As far as I know, there
> >> > has never been a longer conversation than this one between atheists
> >> > and a Christian, two Christians, if you count Gordon.
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> >> Sorry, but length of conversation does not equal quality of conversation.
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> > Well, you atheists are free to end it any time.  Just take sci.physics
> > and sci.physics.relativity out of the header, and nobody in these
> > newsgroups will see your posts.
> > Robert B. Winn
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> Due to the lack of replies , or any protests about cross posts from anyone
> in either of those forums, I'm fairly sure that they all have you killfiled
> anyway, together with anyone who might be replying to you.
>
> --
> Steve O

Well, you are replying Steve, so let's discuss the Lorentz equations.

                                 x'=(x-vt)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)
                                 y'=y
                                 z'=z
                                 t'=(t-vx/c^2)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)

        These equations, which Einstein used where scientists up to
that time had been using the Galilean transformation equations

                               x'=x-vt
                               y'=y
                               z'=z
                               t'=t

to describe transmission of light, indicate that in the moving frame
of reference, length is contracted increasingly until at the speed of
light, the length of a moving object is zero.
That would mean that photons are little flat disks with circumference,
but no length.
Robert B. Winn