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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: rbwinn
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:48
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On Jul 16, 4:19 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> > On Jul 15, 11:16 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >> > On Jul 14, 11:29 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >>> On Jul 14, 8:01�am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >>>>> Only an atheist would want all choices made for
> >> >>>>> them.
> >> >>>> Now there was me thinking that that was the mark of a worshipper. It
> >> >>>> seems to me that atheists make their own choices, because they don't
> >> >>>> have decisions ready-dictated to them.
> >> >>> So you think it is a mistake to decide ahead of time not to commit
> >> >>> murder, not to steal, to attend church, not to commit adultery, etc.
> >> >> Why would you be so morally deficient so as to need to perform morning
> >> >> affirmations in order not to kill people?
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> >> >> My moral decisions are made as the occasion demands it. Seems to work
> >> >> okay.
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> >> > So are you saying that for each person you encounter, you make a
> >> > decision to kill or not to kill?
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> >> Only if you BELIEVE that everything a person does is dictated by his
> >> choices.
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> > That is what I believe.  I came to that conclusion while I was
> > incarcerated in a V.A. hospital psychiatric ward.  I could not walk,
> > could not talk, was given another shot of thorazine every night by the
> > nursing assistants, and it was starting to look to me as though I
> > would never get out of there.  As I was contemplating my situation, a
> > thought that did not come from me went through my mind,  Whatever you
> > see before you at any given time is the result of all choices you have
> > made up to that time.
>
> OMFG!
> On this we actually agree.
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> Event plus response equals outcome, right? (e+r=a)
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> > It was at that time that I decided to choose to get out of that
> > mental hospital.  It took quite a while, but I did it.  A lot of my
> > fellow patients did not.  Many of them are probably still there.
>
> Ummm... you're talking about when you escaped from the mental hospital,
> right?
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> >To me they did not seem to be all that insane when they would arrive at
> > the hospital, just sort of average people with a military background
> > who had done something that brought atheistic attention to
> > themselves.  Then they would start to give them drugs.  Within a short
> > time it was plain to see that some of them were going to spend the
> > rest of their lives there.
> > Robert B. Winn
>
> I've just realized.
> You ARE Jack Nicholson and you HAVE flown the cuckoo's nest.
> Am I right?
>
> --
> Steve O

No, that is wrong.  I never even saw the movie.
Robert B. Winn
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From: rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com>
Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:48:19 -0700 (PDT)
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